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14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I'm not finding what I want

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by heavy4x4, Feb 23, 2003.

  1. heavy4x4

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    14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    I've read a wealth of knowledge on the subject, but I've got some questions:
    1) I see that A-tron's brackets and kits are designed for '85 and older 14 bolts. Why? I'm going to be looking for a 14 bolt newer than '85 specifically for the reason that the parking brake will be less hassle to hook up on my truck. (I'll run drums for a while). So, what's different, and are there kits out there that will work on '85's and newer?
    2) Are there any kits out there that DON'T allow 15" steel wheels to work? I want to stay with 15's for various reasons.
    3) Who here is running the caddy calipers, and where'd you get them - for how much $$? Cheapest I've found is $75 charge and a $70 core (which of course I won't have /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif).
    4) For my own clarification - the way the rotors mount is by pressing the lug studs through the backside, right? Does anyone have pics of this? I've read the article in the Bloody Knuckle, and it's great, but is it pretty much the same for 14 bolts?
    Thanks.
     
  2. One_Ton_k5

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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    from the shakerbuilt website:

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    First, let's get the "Technical" stuff out of the way. This kit "currently" only fits the single-wheel, 14 Bolt, "Full Floater" rear axles from early 1973 to 1985. You can distinguish these rear axles before 1985, because they rear brake drums are held onto the hub with the wheel studs. The drum is unable to slide off without removing the hub. The later (86-up usually) 14 bolt axles have a "floating" drum that you are able to take off and inspect the brakes without having to remove the axle shaft and hub from the axle.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Yes the studs go into the rear of the rotor and through the 14 bolt hub.

    Hope that helps...
     
  3. 45acpJr

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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    Steve,

    I believe all the conversion kits will allow you to use a 15" wheel, IF you have 2.5" or less of backspacing. If you have more than that you will have to do some caliper grinding, but will still work regarlessly. As mentioned before the studs press thru the rotor and yes there is a big difference between the kits. I sent ya a PM.
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    Sean, I run 15" rims with the A-tron disc brackets...3.5" of backspace and no troubles. Maybe rim manufacturers vary a little?

    Rene
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    Rene, i just fat fingered the keys I meant 3.5"
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    My '91 has the same 14-bolt used since '73... factory. I've only seen the slide-off drum on 88-up (new style) 1-ton SRW's and 92-up 2500 Burbs w/diesel or BB.
     
  7. Desert Rat

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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    Here are some pics from my just finished rear disk conversion. All I have left is to install the calipers. Go here:

    http://community.webshots.com/user/douglasgrant
     
  8. heavy4x4

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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    Thanks for the pics.
    Looks like you've got an awesome build-up going. What'd you use on the frame? POR? And did you sandblast it too?
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    I sandblasted the frame, then did two coats of POR-15, then one coat of POR-15 chassis black. I did two coats of POR-15 on my Corp14 and will finish it off with a coat of POR-15 gloss black topcoat. The stuff ain't cheap, but it does a great job. When I order stuff from Missouri Offroad, A-Tron, ORD or any other place, I usually just tell them to ship it bare metal then POR-15 it myself. Beats the black Rustoleum that most parts come painted with. If a part comes powdercoated, then I leave it alone.
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    TSM manufacturing makes the kits for the 86 and up 14 bolts...they have a pretty good website...www.tsmmfg.com...
     
  11. heavy4x4

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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    Thanks for the link. Anybody use their product? Likes/dislikes?
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    what happened to the Official disc brake conversion thread?? I can't find it by searching. I was using that to help me, anyone know where it went? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    I used the TSM conversion kit on my 84 14BFF in my K5. Great kit and as complete as you could want. Very easy to install. I bought complete kit, rotors, caddy calipers, brackets, flex hoses and all bolts. Came to about $650 delivered. You can piece it together cheaper and do as good a job if funds are a problem. I didn't mind paying the money for a "1 stop shopping" approach.
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    If you use a 1 ton 14FF, the e-brake is not a problem, it comes down the drivers.
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    My next step is purchasing the Eldorado calipers. I see that the rebuilds that auto stores sell don't come with the e-brake lever and spring as it mentions on the off-road.com write up. Has anyone had any luck at a junk yard finding these or is it just easier to go to a Cadillac dealer and try to order them?
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    Ypu can buy them thru TSM complete with springs, arms and totally rebult.
     
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    Re: 14 bolt disc - I read a lot of info, but I\'m not finding what I want

    $300 a pair though? That's a bit steep when the Cardone rebuilds are about $150 a pair loaded. The only thing missing is the arms and spring. I'll have to drop into the Caddy dealer and see how much the arms and spring cost. I can't imagine they would be the difference of $150.
     

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