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.50 cal . BMG Banned in California

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by behemoth, Jan 6, 2005.

  1. behemoth

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    California Bans a Large-Caliber Gun, and the Battle Is On
    By CAROLYN MARSHALL

    Published: January 4, 2005


    SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 3 - California has become the first state to ban a powerful
    50-caliber long-range rifle that gun control advocates portray as a military
    firearm that could easily fall into the hands of terrorists bent on assassination or
    shooting down an airplane.
    Under the ban, which was signed into law by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in September
    and took effect on Jan. 1, it is now illegal to manufacture, sell, distribute or
    import a weapon known as the .50-caliber BMG, or Browning machine gun rifle, a
    single-shot weapon widely used not only by law enforcement officers and the military
    but, more recently, by civilian sport shooters as well.



    The new law limits possession to those who already own the rifle; they have until
    April 30, 2006, to register it or face a misdemeanor charge.
    Gun rights advocates fear that the California legislation will prompt other states
    to follow - similar efforts have been undertaken in New York, Connecticut, Illinois,
    Massachusetts and Virginia, but have failed - and enthusiasts are already devising
    ways to alter the gun and so circumvent the law without breaking it.
    Another result of the law is that in the weeks before it took effect, people rushing
    to buy the limited supplies of .50 BMG's descended on gun shops throughout
    California. Now that it is in force, some of the gun's out-of-state makers and
    distributors have threatened not to sell any of their firearms or services here.
    "We all think it's the first step toward banning sniper rifles," said Michael
    Fournier, owner of the Gun Exchange, a shop in San Jose. "They keep chipping away a
    little at a time. Eventually they'll try to get them all."
    A lawyer for the California Rifle and Pistol Association, a lobby that fought the
    legislation, said that for the first time gun control advocates had managed "to
    demonize" a firearm that gun proponents and lawmaker allies say has never been used
    to commit a crime in the United States.
    The lawyer, Chuck Michel, said the .50 BMG, which weighs 30 pounds and can cost
    $2,000 to $8,000, was typically bought by collectors, shooting range enthusiasts and
    skilled competitors.
    "Criminals don't carry around very pricey, very heavy rifles," Mr. Michel said.
    "They want handguns they can conceal."
    The .50 BMG rifle, patented in 1987 by Barrett Firearms Manufacturing of
    Murfreesboro, Tenn., was designed as a sniper weapon for law enforcement and the
    military; it was widely used by American troops during the Persian Gulf war of 1991.
    Manufacturers say the rifle is accurate at a range of up to 2,000 yards, more than a
    mile. It fires bullets five and a half inches long described as powerful enough to
    rip through armor, much less the thin aluminum skin that covers commercial airliners.
    "They can pierce the skin of an aircraft," said Daniel R. Vice, a lawyer with the
    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a central supporter of the law. "It could be
    used to shoot down an airplane. And we certainly don't want to wait until a
    terrorist buys one before we ban it."
    The legislation's author, Assemblyman Paul Koretz, a Democrat from West Hollywood,
    concedes that street criminals would most likely view the .50 BMG as too much gun
    for the typical robbery or drive-by shooting. Rather, the law is intended to help
    keep the weapon out of the hands of "terrorists, general nut cases and
    survivalists," Mr. Koretz said, citing government reports suggesting that it had
    been used in assassinations overseas and that at least 25 had been bought by Osama
    bin Laden.
    Mr. Michel, the lawyer for the gun rights group, said that adopting the ban in the
    name of fighting terrorism was without merit.
    "The terrorist can get a nuclear dirty bomb or a shoulder-mounted rocket launcher,"
    he said. "The .50-caliber is just a peashooter in comparison."
    But while there is no conclusive evidence that the .50 BMG rifle has ever been used
    in the United States to commit a felony, it has nonetheless been seized from
    American criminals' arsenals. A 1999 briefing paper from the General Accounting
    Office, predecessor of the Government Accountability Office, Congress's
    investigative arm, said, "We have established a nexus to terrorist groups, outlaw
    motorcycle gangs, international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers, religious
    cults, militia groups, potential assassins and violent criminals."
    A side effect of the new law is the ill will it has instilled toward Mr.
    Schwarzenegger among gun rights advocates. Many of them supported him for governor,
    and maintain that his signing the legislation was an act of betrayal.
    "You know what we call him?" said Jerry Sloan, assistant manager of Precision Arms,
    a shop in Escondido. "Benedict Arnold."
    Terri Carbaugh, a spokeswoman for the governor, said Mr. Schwarzenegger, a
    Republican, had made his position clear during his campaign.
    "It's a military-type weapon," Ms. Carbaugh said of the .50 BMG, "and he believes
    the gun presents a clear and present danger to the general public."
     
  2. Resurrection_Joe

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    Next step, NO MORE .700 N.E.! All the kids want it to be "cool" terrorists will shoot down airplanes with it! It can shoot though 87 buildings and ice cream trucks! Specifically developed to kill puppies, trees, and cute children, and the shockwave disrupts dolphins communication.

    http://www.fiftycal.org/
     
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    Just one comment: "shooting down an airplane." Good freakin' luck buddy. A couple hundred miles per hour, a mile or more away? Unless the .50 cal. now comes in a laser guided version, it's not going to happen.
     
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    agreed. it'd need an act of God to hit a plane. besides, even if you hit the plane, it wouldn't be more than a mile up, and at that point, depressurization isn't as much a cause for concern as it would be a 35,000ft. and to make the plane come down, you'd either need to hit both (or all 3 or 4) engines or hit a fuel tank and hope that something sparked. what a weak argument.
     
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    I've been hearing that San Francisco is talking about banning firearms totally. THe article I read noted that the only city in the US to do this now is Washington DC and they have the highest murder rate in the country. Has California changed their flag to a giant rainbow yet or what?

    Oh but remember the Liberal agenda is not to ban firearms just regulate.
     
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    The .50 BMG was used to kill a Jefferson County Sheriff's deputy here in Colorado about 6 years ago. Thing is, the guy did it from 75 yards, not a mile. Could have been a .270.


    Do these dipsh*ts think that making them illegal will keep the bad guys from getting them? F**K California.
     
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    i a am sure full auto guns and RPG's are ilegal too, but crimanals and terorists can still get them.

    i am sure all this will do is make honist gun owners have a harder time ( like here in canada) we have a gun regestry that only knows who the duckk hunters are. SHOCK the gang bangers arnt regestering there mac 10s hummm wonder why
     
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    Only criminals have guns in Canada.

    Thank God for our 2nd amendment.

    I wouldn't think that this crap is going to last long, the US District Attorney's office ruled this year that the right to own a firearm has nothing to do with a " "militia" and that it is indeed an individual right. Should be long before crap like this is struck down.
     
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    Homosexuality has little to do with gun rights. Although Pink Pistols cracks me up. I want to start the SD branch!

    Aparently Can Can's neighbors have at least shotguns
     
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    At least Californians can now rest easy knowing that terrorists would never dare owning one of these rifles since its now against the law. Unbelievable how idealistic some people can be :rolleyes:
     
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    Eh they could sit across the border and shoot 7 miles into cali.......:blush:
     
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    SF just like to break State and federal laws.
    Medical marijuana
    gay marriage
    banning handguns (state law forbids cities from banning handguns in peoples houses.
     
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    If I were a politician in CA I'd make that illegal too.
     
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    If I were a politician in Cali I'd kill myself before the tree huggers swarmed me

    My comment about the rainbow flag wasn't really about homosexuality though I guess thats the only way it can be taken. I have no problem with gay people, California, yeah well I'm not gonna be moving there anytime soon.
     
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    I'm kind of pissed at homosexuals politically because Foxxfire keeps playing steryotypical wishy washy homo alllllllll the time. Jesus man, the right to blow your Canadian buddy isn't the only important one, though I'm sure it's fun
     

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