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8.2T Detroit in my burb?

Discussion in '1982-Present GM Diesel' started by bigblock454, May 17, 2003.

  1. bigblock454

    bigblock454 Clack Clack Clack Premium Member

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    I have been looking everywhere for a suitable replacement engine for my Burb. The 6BT is an ok choice but I am thinking more of a "real" diesel. Does anyone have an information on the 8.2T Detroit Diesel? I have done tons of searching on the internet and can't find much. From what I can find it seems the size dimentions are somewhat close to a BB chevy.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. BlueBlazer

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    I dont know many specifics, but they have a reputation as a pretty bad engine. They are very much like the 6.2 in that they give great mileage, but they are way underpowered. Also, the fuel system is much more complex. I also dont believe that they are as small as you think, though I could be wrong. I think a 6BT is much more "real" than an 8.2.
     
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    I'm not a big fan of the 8.2, Lots of the boats i maintain have them in they seem to have fuel deliver problems. But if your willing to go that route, why not a CAT 3126 or a 3208 i think i have seen those shoe horned in our style trucks before. I would still take cummins 6bt over the 8.2 as well and probally eiser to fit in.
     
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    How about the Navistar DT466? Very available.. comparable in size to the Cat 3126. Both larger than the Cummins B5.9 however.
     
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    Are those CATs V8s? Most of the I6s I have researched are simply too long. I also wonder about the RPM limit, I need something that revs to about 3000. With the 14ff the lowest gear I have seen is 3.43s.
     
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    there both I-6's most "real" diesel seem to be in the I configuration. From what i remeber seeing it did take some work to get one to fit in the engine bay. What kind of transmission are you going to use and size tire? what are you looking at for a top speed? 3:42's with anything other than a stock tire will give you a pretty good overdrive effect.
     
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    Uh, a 3208 is a V8.
     
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    Your best bet is still a Cummins 5.9, unless you have your heart set on something else. The big V8s, the 8.2 Detroit and the 3208 can be swapped in, but both are pretty big and heavy, so be prepared for it.
     
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    I stand corrected. I would haved to agree that the 6bt would be the easiest swap from the size perspective, i have also seen gm tranny adaptors for them on ebay ever now and then. Of course the easiest way is to rebuild the 6.2/6.5. I havent rebuilt one yet but i priced out the rebuld kits and machine work and it can be done for about 1500 bucks in wisconsin dollars.
     
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    I seen a K30 with a 6V-53 in it. It just barely fit, I couldn't imagine trying to get a large V8 diesel in. If you are willing to go through all the work with a 8.2 then why not use a 5.9L 6BT with a 4spd allision(545?) and the 3.42 gear.
    FYI, GM made a 3.36 gear for the 14FF also.

    My plans are a 6BT cummins/4L80E/4.10s/35s.
     
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    Depending on the torque of the diesel i planned on keeping my th400. It could probably take 600 to 700 ft pounds with minor modifications, it was factory rated at 475.
     
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    Arn't the 6Bs like 42" long? The 6.2/6.5 weren't great engines, I am trying to stay away from them.
     
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    Im not sure of the measurements of the 6bt, i had bookmarked a link that outlined a 6bt to a chevy truck but can't find it now. I know the 6.x line of engines arent great but there are advantages of staying with it, cost and less headache just some of the few. But the power that can be tapped from the cummins etc. is mighty tempting. but with less usable rpm i would think an over drive tranny is almost mandatory. If i find that link i'll post it.
     
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    [ QUOTE ]
    Arn't the 6Bs like 42" long?

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    36" from the back of the head to the front of the balancer. (I actually but a tape to one.) The DT466, C8.3, and 3126 are all in the 40-42" size.
    5.9B in Chevy
    3208 in Chevy
    8.3C in Ford

    The Navistar T444E (aka Powerstroke) is also worth considering for its size.

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    FYI, GM made a 3.36 gear for the 14FF also.

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    I know there's a 3.21 and a 3.42.... 3.36? really?
     
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    I know there's a 3.21 and a 3.42.... 3.36? really?

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    IIRC, the 3.21 is an aftermarket gearset. The 3.36 was factory in the '70s. I had a C20 reg cab long bed, 454/TH400/3.36 14FF, think it was a '75.

    Put the R&P in my '89 R3500 crewcab with TBI 454/TH400, talk about gutless. What was the 454, 230hp/385tq? My '90 dodge/cummins with 160hp/400tq and 3.07s would pull circles around that thing. Downside was the dodge topped out at about 77mph, with 2500 rpm govenor springs.

    3000rpm springs are available for the older VE pumps. The newer inline pumps run more rpm for the cummins.
     
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    BTW, the cummins will fit with the trans in the stock location. Only thing is electric fans will need to be used, not enough room for the belt driven one.
     
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    Sounds like the 6B is the best bet.
     
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    With a Cummins swap, what is done about mounting the hydroboost and the other accessories?
     
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    I guess I would be stuck with all D**ge parts.
     
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    I guess I would be stuck with all D**ge parts.

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    I think most of the Dodge accessories are Saginaw-built. The axles - Dana. The t-case - New Process. Driveline - Saginaw as well...

    Hold on... which parts are built by Dodge??? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
     

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