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AGR Steering Box

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by fourdays, Nov 14, 2001.

  1. fourdays

    fourdays Registered Member

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    My box is going and I was wondering if an AGR box is worth the money. I was also wondering if I will need to change fluid lines? it seems like 1980 is the chevy year listed in most of the ads I see and I have a 73 K5.
     
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    CK5 In my underwear Administrator Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    AGR worth the money? NOPE



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    why is agr not worth the money? Let us know before i order one for my camaro and my k5.
     
  4. Greg72

    Greg72 "Might As Well..." Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Yeah.....here I was thinking AGR was a no-brainer for my crossover steering plans.....then Steve comes out with this? Hmmmmmmm [​IMG]

    What's the story here Steve....don't leave us hanging!

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    i just went with a napa rebuild...i guess i will find out soon if i made a good choice or not

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    [​IMG]<font color=blue>Look in the Blazers for sale page!! my 72 needs to go!</font color=blue> [​IMG]
     
  6. CK5

    CK5 In my underwear Administrator Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    Brand new out of the box BAM leaks, call AGR four or five times they say oh no problem send you a repair kit so YOU can fix, still nothing - loosers.
    Ask Boss about his and Shawn and a few other people about theres, I am going with a hydro assist setup from <a target="_blank" href=http://westtexasoffroad.com>http://westtexasoffroad.com</a> for about the same price just the box AGR costs. Talk to Matt hes great and always returns emails, I will have the complete setup in for review soon.

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    Steve's right-bought an AGR box because they claimed it was so much stronger than stock-it wasn't. The AGR box was exactly the same as stock and I mean exactly. Terrible customer service o top of that
     
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    Thanks for the link Steve.

    Jim '80 GMC & '73 Blazer
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    Yeah, like Steve and Titanic said, AGR sucks....Way over price is the big problem with them and service blows. Do a search under AGR, you'll see my replies in the past.
    Basically, I had to install the box twice (two different), Installed and removed the pump 4 times, the RAM, twice, and coolers-twice. That's a lot of lost PS fluid!! Oh, and that was a span of like 4 months, b/c it was never right the first time and they kept forgetting to send me out what I need. The one thing I regret was, I was talking with Mike, from westtexas, about his hydro assist setup before I went with AGR, and I just went the other way with AGR....[​IMG] I emailed him a while back and said, next hydro assist I'm doing (for my bro), I'm going with him.
    Boss

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    Maybe I'm just lucky, but my AGR steering system has worked flawlessly from day one. I have the SB2 and Superpump. It cured all of my steering issues (play in the wheel, wandering, lack of power). I am very happy with the product although I agree the price is high. Just wanted to give a positive note among the negative ones. JT
     
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    I bet if you replaced your pump with a stock GM one and your box, with a stock GM one, that would've cured your problem as well, at half the cost.
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    ok..i was eyeing an AGR myself...since my leaky old factory steering box kinda sux. If AGR isn't the way to go...what are some good alternatives?

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    I'm sure that would have helped, but the stock ratio for a first gen stinks. My stock box had a 24:1 ratio while the SB2 has a variable 13:1 to 17:1 ratio. I verified that my old box took almost 4 turns lock to lock while the AGR is less than 3 turns lock to lock. Much better for both highway and off-roading. The newer GM boxes have a lower ratio, but they aren't bolt in on the older trucks. Would need different rag joint and possibly pitman arm? Anyway, I like the shiny cadmium surface too. See ya, JT
     
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    I'm not 100% on the ratios, but I do know that GM used the same style gear box from 65' to 79'. And then 80' to 90something??
    Only difference between the two are the PS hose fittings. Your style using the Flare fitting and 80' and up using the O-ring fitting. But, my box is actually for a 65' to 79', which is Flare fitting. My pump is too. Sooooo, you can interchange them, as long as you change the pump, or the Pumps fitting in the rear of the pump to match the gear box fittings. But as far as ratios, I thought they were all the same, and didn't think they are as high as you say.....but like I said, I'm not 100% on that. I do have it written somewhere I can look it up when I get home. My thoughts are like 20:1 or 18:1 or so???.....

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    I had some posts a long while back (under name JST12)where I took three boxes ( AGR, 1971 and 1979) and rotated the input shaft and counted revolutions to get the 90 degree range of motion of the sector shaft. The ratios I came up with did not match any of the published data for the 3 boxes, so I am guessing there is more to the ratio than just input:output. Anyway, the AGR needed 30% less rotations of input to get the same 90 degree output. So 24:1 may be incorrect , but that is what Power Steering Services told me I had, and I know the AGR is much lower than that. Didn't mean to open a can of worms. I just like my AGR system. Maybe I wouldn't have if I had needed customer service from them. See ya. JT
     
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    Oh, I hear yah man. I do like hearing good things about then. DBlazer said he had good luck with them, but that is b/c he lives right near them and one of them actually came out and fixed one of the problems he had. It gives me hope that my AGR stuff won't all of the sudden blow up on me. BUT, if you went through some of the stuff I did, and Steve did and many others, you'll know where we're coming from. I'm glad you like yours and it's working great for you.
    Boss
    ps, my box is the SB 1 16:1, I think that is perfect (for the Hyrdo assist setup). My first box was the SB 2, 17:1, and that didn't work well with the RAM. I think I heard it worked better as a stand alone (non RAM unit).
    Boss

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    Thanks for all the input and replies. There is nothing worse than spending some dough and either it don't work or too much money for too little performance.

    Aaron
     
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    Wow! Thanks for posting that you haven't had any probs with yours. I have a box and pump from AGR, but haven't started the engine yet. I've been reading all these horror stories about AGR's stuff (of course, after I bought the stuff) and have been a bit freaked out about potential problems. Good to know that not everyone has had a bad experience.

    Thanks again,

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    The question is, is the variable output shaft interchangeable with the standard box? Anyone know?

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