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Air Compressors and welders....

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by ChevyCaGal, Aug 26, 2001.

  1. ChevyCaGal

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    I'm gonna buy a decent air compressor... (well my mom is buying it for me for my birthday next month)... and my grandma says she'll give me some money so I am gonna buy a welder. I need a compressor to run air tools and be consistent enough to power stuff for longer then 30 seconds. I want to get what I want done and not have to wait for the tank to refill each time I get going. It's annoying as can be. What's a good size? I just wanna put it in the garage so being portable is not an issue here... ok, I have been looking at welders... and I know I want something that can weld up to 3/8 an inch steel. I'd rather not use gas out of, I just never liked the looks of it when my grandfather used it... besides I am sure with how much to fill it is the state of CA will find a way to rip me off each time big time.... so what's a good welder, cheaper in cost, I mean I don't want something dirt cheap, but my grandma said she'd give me like $250.... can I get something or not? Thanks! [​IMG]

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  2. Pugsley

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    Sears sells a nice 6hp compressor with a 33 gallon tank on it for $330 - I've been debating putting one on the Sears card for a while now.

    I can't tell you too much on MIG's - I can't even do a decent tack with mine[​IMG] For a stick machine, I don't think you could beat the Lincoln Classic 225 ac/dc, but they cost around $450. Craftsman sells a similar machine for $280 that will do 1/4" in a single pass - my buddy bought one and it works great. You can get a cheap Harbor Freight machine, but the duty cycle on them is only like 10% or less. I've got a little 160 amp AC machine I got from them for $90 and it's got the worst duty cycle I've ever seen.

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  3. Can Can

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    You should PM Rene about the welder question- he'd probably know exactly what you need!!



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  4. TheGeneral

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    I have an 80 Gal 6.5 HP Craftsman. Love it, but, if I had it to do over, would by the 2 stage 30 gallon 6 hp 110 volt on wheels, rather than my floor mounted 220 volt. I just bought a second compressor for on job site stuff. A 5 HP 20 gallon. The biggest factor to look at is the scfm that the compressor can support. Mine is 10.8 at 90 PSSSI and will power most tools continousouly (except for some grinders) Tools are getting more and more air efficient, so unless the extra dough (ie mine was 399 versus 899 for a full blown 220 dual stage 80 gallon or gas powered (899 being lower end) is easy to come by, I would go for about 10 scfm capability. Air tools are great. I have been replacing all electric for some time, and will continue. I have a pad sander that is over 20 years old and still runs. Be sure and install an in-line dryer/filter, and put some oil in input of each tool each day of use. I don't recommend and inline lubricator unless you have a seperate line for air only and for painting and sand blasting. As far as welder, go Lincoln or Miller. I am looking at Lincoln 225 MIG for 450. She will be good for making bumbers and stuff. I used one at a shop, it is a dam good welder. The only benefit to a stick welder or oxy, acteylene is weld more in long run, but harder to learn to use. You can get some rods for oxy that will give you crazy amounts of tensile strength, but pay to perfect. Just my 5 cents worth.

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  5. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    I got a Lincoln SP-125 Plus, paid $700 for it, gas and helmet and gloves. Went right to work with it. MIGs are awesome, easy to learn. Duty cycle is 20%, but I've never came close to it yet and I've done spring plates and frame work with it.

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    i dont know much about welders but I was looking a a Lincoln stick w/ 225amp and it was AC only--$219, and the also had a 225 amp, AC&amp;DC for $300, Lowes had the best price---again I dont know the difference between these two except one being only ac and the other having both,,,but i am gonna go w/ the ac ony---can someone tell me why i should get the AC&amp;DC one? and not the AC

    Hut in the well is goin on in here?

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  7. Pugsley

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    Jump all over that deal on the AC/DC - DC is a much more stable arc for thinner stock, and X-Ray quality work, and DC also offers the ability to reverse polarity for welding high-carbon steel. AC is more for general work on mild steel.

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  8. smp

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    Were the hell do you guys find 225 amp migs for under $500 ?

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    These aren't MIGs - Lincoln 225's are a straight stick machine.

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  10. Jason73K5

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    On the compressor, make sure you don't get one of those oil-free ones, they're way to loud and it will annoy the hell out of you. I'd also say get at least a 25 gallon tank, preferably 30 or more though. Mine is a Porter-Cable 6hp 25 gallon that I picked up at Lowes for $339. It has plenty of power and is quiet enough that you can carry on a conversation in the same room when it's running, a bigger tank would have been nice though. For my welder, I got a Lincoln Weld Pak 100 and then converted it to MIG later on. A refill of Argon/CO2 only runs about $60 and lasts quite a while.

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  11. HarryH3

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    Dang! Where were you when I was single?!?!? [​IMG] Oh yeah, you were about 8 then. [​IMG]

    I'll second the warning to not get an oiless compressor. I bought one from Sears several years ago and returned it the next day. It was so loud that I couldn't stay in the garage while it was running. [​IMG] Bought a Sanborn 220 volt, 5 HP, twin cylinder from Sam's club and it's been running like a champ for nearly 10 years.

    My welder is a Lincoln Weld Pak 100. For more cash you can go to the Weld Pak 125 that still operates on 110 volts. The Weld Pak 155 will do some serious welding for about $500, but it needs 220 volts to operate.

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    Yeah, I have two A/C from sears (oil free) and they are loud as hell. Scares me sometimes when they just turn on automatically. One is 25 gallon tank 5HP or so. The other is 33gal 6HP. I think the 6HP one puts out 7.something CFM at 90PSI.....I have to look again to make sure. Anyhow, besides the noise, they're great A/C....especially for the price &lt;img src="http://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/smile.gif"&gt; Close to $300

    As for the Welder, I think most have covered it. Which type welding are you looking into??? Stick (arc), MIG? There are other types like TIG, Oxy/Acety (ancient), but I doubt that you were going there. I'd say, for MIG, look to spend about $500 or so for a good one. Here in MD, filling up a 40cf bottle of CO2/Argon mix runs about $27 or so. Take care.
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    I got a lincoln from home depot for $300 bucks and it works great IT will do a 1/4 no problem. its a gasless flux core wire but can be converted to mig for 89.00.
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  14. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    <blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

    A refill of Argon/CO2 only runs about $60 and lasts quite a while.

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    How big is your tank? I have the smallest one. Costs me $25 to refill. Thinking of moving up in size, but I'll need to build me another cart to handle it.



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    $25 for the samll tank? Heck the small tank is only $17 around here. THe biggest tank that they will let a non commercial account get is only $20. That's from Pye Barker. I need to get in touch with my bud and get him to get me the BIG tanks on his comercial account (Dentist LOL). He says he only pays $40 for the tall tanks.
    As for welders. I have used a weld pack 110v machine. did the job but I would only use that for sheet steel. Does not have the power to weld heavy gage stuff. I use a AC225 Stick for bumpers and stuff. I do like the stick for general use because if you store rods right they will last years. The 225 can handle 3/4 plate without much problem but under 1/8 thick it's almost useless. It blows through to easy. That's when you need AC/DC models.
    I'm looking for a 220v Mig right now. Trying to find a used one for around $600. I noticed Northern has a Hobart NEW for about that price but I don't know anything abut Hobart so I'm leary about them. Like Lincoln and Miller.
    Compressor.CFM is where it's at. I have a Ingersol Rand that I picked up used for $100. 30 gallon tank and 9.6 CFM at 90psi. It out rates the Black Maxes that they sell at the Depot. I think those are rated 4.5 at 90 or something. Like the other said. You want around 10CFM at 90psi. You can run the gavity feed sand blasters for short periods with that rating.

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    That's the People's Republik of Kaliforny for ya.

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    well i have an old school air compressor at my house, and it works great. i mean i think its from the 70s
    but i have been round them all summer running air-nail guns working construction and the compressor will turn on, but just because it turns on doesnt mean its lost pressure and u have to wait, it comes on so u dont have to do that.

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  18. tRustyK5

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    Grimmy, I would stick with Lincoln or Miller too, I have had the misfortune of using Hobart products at work and they might as well have a big blue oval painted on them. I have no luck with Hobarts, fact is I hate em back now![​IMG]

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    I guess I got lucky. I never had luck with Hobart stick machines. The computer boards go out on them. But my 250 Hobart Beta Mig is 7 years old and going strong. Never a minutes trouble other than tips and liners. I have an Ingersol Rand 7hp 60 gal tank with 9.4 cfm at 90 psi. My friend has a craftsman oiless 6.5hp 60 gal that claims 10 but I have used both and mine is leaps and bounds better than his. His will lose it just running a DA.

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  20. Jason73K5

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    Ok, you caught me guesstimating. I haven't had to refill my tank yet so I was trying to go off memory of what it cost a buddy of mine in Va to fill. I guess I was off a bit.

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