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ANOTHER ORD steering brace Q ... welding experts wanted

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by rampage, Jun 10, 2003.

  1. rampage

    rampage 1/2 ton status

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    I've been doing some research before I buy my ORD weld-in steering brace. I don't have the steering box off yet and there aren't any cracks that I can see. Before I slap on my 35s I want to put the ORD brace/bracket on. Is there any way to magnaflux the frame to check for hairline cracks or will a visual inspection be good enough? If so how would I go about doing that? The welder that I'm thinking about using has over 30 yrs of experience and has done numerous frame repairs on Dodges and Chevys. He said that he would use a stick welder, is that the correct type of welding to do on a frame? The last thing I want is for the wrong type of welding to be done and have it weaken my frame.
    Lastly, before I do a search, what do I need to remove in order to have the welding/installation done? This is on an 89 Jimmy, but will also have this done on my 78 truck and my friends 78 K5. As always, any help is appreciated and welcome. /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif
     
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    If the welder has 30 years experience I would probably trust him. I use a stick welder a lot and when done right it will make a fine strong joint....when done wrong it will make a brittle porous joint that will crack in a stiff breeze. It is all in the skill of the welder.

    One thing I would check about.....is your 89 fuel injected? Does it haver a computer? I have not done any work on anything with a computer but a mechanic friend told me that unless the computer is disconnected using an arc welder can fry it. Dunno if that is true but may be worth looking into.
     
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    stick welder will do fine...as long as the person welding knows how to use it.
     
  4. rampage

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    Thanks for the heads-up. I beleive that disconnecting the battery will take care of that, something that should be done anyways.
     
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    [ QUOTE ]
    One thing I would check about.....is your 89 fuel injected? Does it haver a computer? I have not done any work on anything with a computer but a mechanic friend told me that unless the computer is disconnected using an arc welder can fry it. Dunno if that is true but may be worth looking into

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    If i had to guess, you would fry the ignition module, and then the fuel pump....and yes, it is true...

    EDIT - well, you have to disconnect the battery, i doubt you have to disco the computer though
     
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    Is the bolt on brace enough if the frame isn't cracked? I plan on running 38's, should I also run the weld on frame brace? /forums/images/graemlins/1zhelp.gif
     
  7. HarryH3

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    The directions that came with my weld-on bracket not only recommended using a stick welder, they even tell you which type of rod to use. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
     
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    I would say if the frame is not cracked I would order the bolt in brace and do it that way. When you weld the welded brace in it seems that would weaken the frame alittle? No crack, no weld, bolt it in /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
    Thats just my two cents though /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
     
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    I would say if the frame is not cracked I would order the bolt in brace and do it that way. When you weld the welded brace in it seems that would weaken the frame alittle? No crack, no weld, bolt it in /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
    Thats just my two cents though /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif

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    Welded correctly, it will NOT weaken the frame. It will strengthen it.
     
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    they even tell you which type of rod to use

    [/ QUOTE ] OK, what rod did they say /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif
     
  11. HarryH3

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    OK, what rod did they say

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    I don't remember. But when you buy the kit, you should also get the directions, so then you'll know! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
     
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    i used a 1/8" inch 6010 rod @ 75amps. it seemed to work well. just make sure you run faster on the thinner brace material and slower on the thicker frame side.
     
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    That's just what I wanted to hear /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif Just need to wait for a month until my welder gets back from vacation /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif ... and of cousre order the kit.
     
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    There is no reason it has to be stick welded over MIG or Flux core. Frame is mild steel and so is the frame repair kit...this is not rocket science. The most important part of the instructions is the stitch pattern.

    Rene
     
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    I agree, but the instructions didn't mention wire feed welding at all. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
     
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    Prolly because the original instructions were written about 25 years ago...before you could even buy a MIG for home use and when MIG was still looked at with suspicion.

    Rene
     
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    Probably! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm sure that stuff is Made In China too, which doesn't help when it comes to communcation. /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif Mine will be welded on with Flux Core, since that's what I have. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    I used the flux core also. I was quite pleased with the results /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

    Rene
     
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    That's good to know! I've just got the little Lincoln Weld-Pak 100, so I'm sure I'll have to let the welder cool a bit after every stich or two. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
     
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    I didn't find that mine needed any time to cool down and it's only 10% duty cycle. It was pretty cold in the shop then so I'm sure that helped. I have run a fan pointed at the welding machine before with pretty good results...probably gets me closer to 15-20% duty cycle before the thermal overload shuts it down/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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