I've been looking forever for an 8274, a guy in the off-road club popped up with one the very day my DD's rearend shredded itself. I put the cash into the DD (obviously) and asked him to hold it for me...he did for about a day and then mounted it to his car trailer for derby season. Understandable considering he didn't know me very well then. He likes the damn thing so much there he won't take top dollar to rip it off and sell it to me, which leads me to my current predicament. Another guy has a Ramsey 12K worm drive (I think RE12000 is the model name) for sale for $800 that was used for one summer season on a stripped down pickup that didn't weigh a whole lot. Everybody I talk to said it's in great shape and he only spooled it out two or three times. It's the model without the outer drum rods that always get bent. I don't know whether to hold out for a slightly used 8274, which I mainly want for the ability to rebuild it if it dies, not to mention the brute force, cable capacity, and the fact that you could buy an 8274 in good shape for that much, or to succumb and buy the Ramsey so I can stop worrying about finding a winch by the time next spring rolls around. So please, share your stories about Ramsey's, good and bad...like I said, I don't know whether to spring for this one or to hold out. I'm going to have a winch front and rear eventually, and this unit would tuck up nicely in the rear if/when I get a different one for the front.