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Axel strength

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by 55Willy, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. 55Willy

    55Willy 3/4 ton status

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    I have a guy interested in swapping my old 1/2 tons into his scout 80 or 800 (not sure of which) and he only wants to if they are stronger then his current axels. I think the scouts have 27 fronts and 44's in the rear. large 5 apttern like a ford and a closed knuckle front with drums.

    is the 12 bolt rear stronger then his old one?
     
  2. wayne

    wayne 3/4 ton status

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    He might have 44's in the front and back. Anyhow I would go with the 12 bolt over the D44.
     
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    The 1/2tons are much stronger than the old school stuff. With a rig as light as the scout 36-37'' tires would not be unrealistic even with a v-8 swapped in.
     
  4. jekbrown

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    scout model info..

    2. What is the difference between a "Scout 80" and a "Scout 800"?

    A Scout 80 was the model designation for the 1961-mid-1965 Scout. These models were identifiable by sliding windows (1961), a 152 4 cyl. engine, a fold-down windshield, vacuum windshield wipers at the top of the windshield and an IH logo in the center of the grill.
    The Scout 800 was introduced late year 1965 and continued until mid-year 1971. These models were manufactured with more creature comforts in mind and were identifiable by a fixed windshield, fancier bucket seats, windshield wipers located at the bottom of the windshield, an optional 196 4-cyl., 232 Inline-6, 266 V-8 or even a 304 V-8 in the 1969 and up models. An International nameplate replaced the IH logo on the grill.

    The Scout 800 was dressed up and given an "A" or "B" suffix in 1969-1970 and 1970-1971, denoting the upgrades and special "limited edition" packages that were available on those models. The Scout II debuted in May 1971.

    3. How can I tell if my International Pickup is a 1/2-ton or a 3/4-ton?
    Generally, an easy way to tell the difference is by how many lug studs are on each wheel. 5 lug studs is a 1/2-ton and 8 lug studs is a 3/4-ton.

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    Scout Axle info...

    6. How can I tell what axles my Scout has?

    Dana 30 front axles and Dana 44 rear axles were standard on the Scout II's, up until 1974. You could special order a Dana 44 front axle for a Scout II in 1974.

    In 1974 and later, the Dana 44, front and rear axles were standard in the Scout II's.

    If you are not sure which you have, you can compare axle covers. If they look the same, front to rear, they are probably both Dana 44's. If the front cover is a smaller, rounder cover, it is probably a Dana 30.
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    To know if the axles are an upgrade, you need to know what he has now. IMO, if he has 44s front/rear already, the swap wouldn't be worth the time/effort. It would require new wheels etc. If I was him, I'd rather spend the same $$ in 4340 shafts for his current axles. If he has a Dana 27 or 30 up front, it'd be worth the effort to swap.


    j

     
  5. 55Willy

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    his is a 66. model 800
     
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    On a Scout 800 (or an 80) its a good swap, if you don't mind the extra width. Especially true up front; bigger R&P, shafts, 297 u-joints, disc brakes, the rear simply gets you matching ratio, lug pattern and similar width.

    On a Scout II I wouldn't bother (unless it was one of the striped down early ones w/ a D30 front.)
     
  7. jekbrown

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    that answers that. Assuming his axles are stock, the swap is definitely an upgrade. A lil' extra width never hurt anyone. I assume he is gonna run oversized (vs stock!) tires, so a wider stance will help with off camber stuff.

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    55Willy 3/4 ton status

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    the guy offered to sell me the scout, it seams like a great price for what it is....

    WWCK5D ?????

    1966 scout model 800
    4 cyl. 4 spd twin stick dana 20
    closed knuckle front and 44 rear, 4.27 gears
    spring over swap
    3" body
    36" swamper sx's

    harvester red with white top all glass is good and present.

    dirt cheap....
     
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    jekbrown I am CK5 Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    I dunno... if it gets you closer to actually wheelin, I say go for it... if it don't, then don't.

    j
     
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    Depends on how cheep and if it runs/everything works
     
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    $ 800 OBO
    runs and drives, it was his off road toy.... he has 12 scouts so he is selling some
     
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    Under a grand is not bad for a running 4x4. Just don't turn it into a project.
     

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