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axle wrap possible solution

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by m j, Jul 3, 2004.

  1. m j

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    woah! Thats different /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
     
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    Looks like bind city.
     
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    eh if you consider the center of the axle really moves, the LEAST I don't think it will be bad. When the bushing binds the leaves twist. Maybe you will wear out the spring but seeing as its not doing any suspending duties I don't see why that would really matter till they break.
     
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    wonder if a combo of that spring with a joint like this....

    linky

    would work... that plus spring flex oughta make it less bind-able...

    j
     
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    odly enough, it seems to have reduced on-road body roll

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    Maybe because it is binding? I don't see how it can compensate for the difference in spring lenghts as the suspension cycles.
     
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    ? I think that it would work better if it had a shackle mount from the spring eye to the axle housing instead of being mounted solid

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    that would negate any of the anti wrap effect
     
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    ? I think that it would work better if it had a shackle mount from the spring eye to the axle housing instead of being mounted solid

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    that would negate any of the anti wrap effect

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    Ya, I thought of that after I posted and edited what I said. Some guys around here run ladder type bars from the axle to the frame and connect them with a shackle and it seems to work well, that's what i was thinking.
     
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    I know he claims it works...but I'd love to see how it performs with some real power. There is no triangulation there, and I can guarantee he is giving up some flex as well.

    Any anti-wrap contraption that uses the existing leafs as the lower link for triangulation is doomed to fail. The forward half of the leafs is what takes all the abuse already. I don't see anything there that'll prevent them from deflecting into and 'S' shape under hard power.

    Rene
     
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    the fact that the 'third' link is a foot above the other 2 links is going to limit wrap
    you know I do not believe anyones claims /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
     
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    And how solid are those two lower links? An anti-wrap bar is meant to save the springs from having to deal with housing rotation...not use the weakest part of the suspension as a structural link for triangulation.

    It's a poor design IMO.

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    are you samiliar with the Caltrax linkage and its effect on SS drag racing?

    the housing cannot pivot as freely with the third spring mounted up high like that

    I am not selling this idea, just thought it was a novel lowbuck approach that I think works
     
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    i dont think its optimal either, but it is cheap and it might work for those of us who don't have a blown BB and aren't in love with the skinny pedal. I like crawlin slow and easy and my engine is an almost entirely stock 350. I hardly ever "hammer down" if I can avoid it so maybe something like this would work for me...

    Those X-joints can rotate 30 degrees before they bind at all, and then the spring should have some flex in it... from the centerline of the axle thats quite a bit of flex. Guy who sells em on pirate says you'd need a spring with 2.5" ID for the joint to fit though... local spring shop might be able to do something like that relatively cheap...

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