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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by POWERMAD, Oct 22, 2006.

  1. POWERMAD

    POWERMAD 1/2 ton status

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    I have been homeless, while single and with a family.
    Been out of work and had to live in my truck.
    That said I feel no pity for these scabs.
    I go to do laundry today and have to run the guantlet with them, it's fockin Racoon City.
    One guy goes on for 10 minutes about how hard his life is and bla bla bla and asks me for money.
    Ya know if you are gonna lower yerself to beggin status at least be sober and ask.
    I may flip ya a few bucks.
    Then there are the scabs that want ya to buy beer for em because the store won't sell it to em.
    I have told em that there is a corner to stand on, Burnside & MLK. It's where the mexicans go everyday. A guy shows up with a truck and a bunch pile in.
    Most get $10-12 an hr tax free $ and get paid at the end of the day.
    Easily $100 a day tax free. Sure it's grunt work but WTF it's $$.
    Nope none want to do that, just want to stand on a corner and pester folks.
    I would say that more than half of them are 20 something. Fockin scabs.
    Then we get em in the neighborhood when the po po shoos em off.
    We come out and find em sleepin on the lawn, pissin and crappin behind the bushes, diggin through the garbage, raiding the garden.
    Hopefully it'll get real cold soon and they'll jump a train to Cali.
    The crappy deal is when ya want to lay into them but have to bite yer tounge, piss em off and they can be real malicious. Like the neighbor that came out with a pile of crap on his hood. :mad:
    As soon as they get beligerent I just call the cops to deal with it, and most times they come out in a reasonable time. But they just move em along to be someone eles problem and before long they are back.
    I do contribute to the cause, but I take food to the food bank and donate.
    I have had to use that in the past and feel that is doing my part to help out.
    But I refuse to give hand outs to someone that refuses to help themself.
     
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  2. chevyfumes

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    Yeah taking food to the food banks works,I do too, unfortunatly most have mental problems and can't or won't get the help they need...
     
  3. POWERMAD

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    Those folks are a whole differnt deal, I'm talkin about the shiftless walkin piles of crap.
    Crazy folk I just leave alone to talk to themselvs and avoid at all costs.
    Like the COC concert, we was standing in line and I seen one coming down the line and my buddy had his back to him. I manuvered myself behind him and watched the loony make his way down to him. Dude had a big piss stain in the front and the rear was sh!t stained and he stunk to high heaven. My buddy was gaggin and trying to be nice and it didn't help that I was LMAO.
     
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    Oh we won't have to worry about the folk with mental problems for long either.
    The Portland PD has a free pass to beat them to death.
     
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    I was homeless when I was 22 years old . I lived in a 2 man tent in my friends big back yard in Lake Oswego for 4+ months ( july-oct) . I still worked and and all I had for transpo was my 83 gpz 550 . I saved up some money , moved into a trailer park and lived in a 18 ft travel trailer for a little over a year . I always worked and never asked for a hand out . Ate lot's of Top ramen and mac & cheese :haha: . I never give hand outs to the bums . We don't really seem to have the bums here in Oakgrove but we do have our share of tweekers riding thier mountian bikes around scamming peoples houses out and stealing mail out of our mailboxes :mad: . I'm 40+ years old and own my own home and I got here by working my a$$ off . I never ask for anything from anyone . I have alot of family members that are loaded with $$$ but I will never ask them for a dime . If I've ever needed some extra coin I would go thru a temp agency and get a part time job . I will how ever help those who are willing to help themselves . If I have the money I will donate it .
     
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    gotta love those Porklank Pigs :mad: . I'm glad I don't live in Porkland . I watched them take a unarmed guy down and another cop ran up a kicked the guy in the head . If I did that to someone it's called attempted murder . I hope that cop get's his one dark rainy night . The Portland cops get trained by the Fed's . They don't have BPST like the county and city boys . Just be glad you are white :eek1: you are less likely to get shot by those porkland coppers :laugh: .
     
  7. POWERMAD

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    Um they shot a naked white guy a few months ago.
    But he was jumping on their car.
     
  8. diesel4me

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    We have our share of homeless here,but for the most part they stay to themselves--of course, they know all the places to get food,clothes,etc for free..know how to "play the system"...most are addicts or alcoholics,and there is an ever increasing number of them,the city next to our town has most of the free services they need,and is seeing a big increase in them..I read stories in our local newspapers of them --recently one was arrested for stabbing another homeless man..

    They tried booting them out of a makeshift camp they set up next to railroad tracks right near the center of Taunton,(next town over from here)-and they dispersed to other areas--unfortunately the area I live in is not far from there,and all the stores,(1 whole mile of them!) between that town and where I live draws a lot of the beggars and scammers,and theives working the parking lots..crime is rising rapidly--another large town 15 miles away is having BIG troubles with gang shootings and rampant drug sales,coke and heroin mostly..it's here too...

    I fail to see why the state hasn't done anything about the homeless--it's a shame ,there are 2 very large state hospitals within 10 miles of here that could easily house double the number of homeless around here--but no,they closed them down many years ago--one is for sale,a developer wants to either build elderly housing or a shopping mall--he'll probably buy it for pennies on the dollar too,at state auction..it's still full of X-ray machines,etc..everything a hospital needs--just sitting there unused--a sin!.

    The other is 1 mile from the largest population of homeless--but was used for rehab and care of the mentally ill,and is being phased out--now the abandoned buildings they spent thousands on are being vandalized,burnt down,and left empty and unheated---all perfectly good buildings the homeless could live in!--and they both had huge cafeterias,and being former hospitals or institutions,both would be self contained!..I think they even generated their own power at one of the places!..it's like it's own small city..

    I guess if us taxpayers paid for it--it's ok to let good buildings be abandoned,and left unheated and to the weather,and eventually fall down--a huge waste of money,manpower,and resouces..but don't you dare let anyone try to live in it,or tresspass..no,arrest that guy for having nothing!..BEATS ME why those places cant be used,instead of auctioned off,at a giveaway price to some greedy scumbag developer...:mad:
     
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    I keep wanting to toss the dude with a "will work for food" sign a coconut.
     
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    From what I have seen, the vast majority of yahoos who beg for $$$ are doing so because they refuse to bust ass and make a living. There are plenty of people with disabilities or whatever working... so that ain't no excuse. Social programs should be around as a safety-net to help people that truly get "screwed in life"... but once they are physically capable of working again, they need to get a damn job and work. I give charity every year... 'bout $1000 to the State of Or-E-Gone in state income taxes... for which I get jack-all for benefits. :( Maybe next time I'm on the Max (and I actually pay for it unlike 90% of the scum I see there and on the bus!) and some guy "axe" me for money, I'll tell him "the governor has it".

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    Well, at least something is being done about them............:haha:
     
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    The problem with opening abandoned buildings for the homeless is civil liability. The minute you open the doors, you become liable for anything that happens in that building. Do you really think that a town has the money to fork out on a multi-million dollar lawsuit because some guy fell down the stairs because a handrail broke off? Or there is asbestos in the building? Or the lock on a door didn't work so someone got raped? Not going to happen. As for the land being purchased by a developer, that is the American way. We live in a capitalistic society, not a socialist or communist country where the government redistributes the wealth. Why begrudge a developer from seeking out a good deal and turning it into something useful? Those buildings are abandoned as a result of market forces. If there were possibilities of re-opening those hospitals, even if they were only self-sufficient, then somebody would do so. There is a perfectly good reason why they are closed. I would be totally pissed to find my tax dollars going to maintaining a hospital that was nothing but a money sponge.

    Another thing to consider is the example that San Diego set some years back. The City Council, in an effort to appear "compassionate" decided to increase their spending on homeless services tenfold. Millions of dollars were set aside to provide housing, food, etc. Guess what happened? Word got out and San Diego's homeless population also increased tenfold. So, every penny was spent, but since the population soared, nobody saw any increased benefit. The moral of the story was, if you build it, they will come. San Diego became the Mecca for homeless throughout the state. Now, is this what you want your town to be? Open up a giant homeless shelter and your homeless population will swell to huge proportions. What do you think that will do to your crime rate, property values, and safety of your family? Think twice before you start giving handouts. Besides, I've worked extensively with the homeless. Those that truly want to break out of the quagmire usually find help and eventually get a step up. The vast majority choose to remain in their situation due to alcohol and drug addiction in addition to being just plain lazy.
     
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    I don't mind helping out homeless that just need a little to get them going. Infact I helped a guy named Bill get back on his feet. I sat down talked to him for about 45 min one day and listened to his story. Bill was a genuine good guy or atleast that was the impression that he gave me. I knew that he hadn't been homeless for too long maybe 3-4 weeks. I know most of the homeless crowd because my g/f volenteers at the homeless shelter, and I see them when I pick her up for lunch or what not.

    Anyways Bill had just got out of jail. The story is bill and his ex-wife got divorced. She got the house, the cars, and the kids. Along with losing his possesions his ex-wife slapped on domestic, sexual, and child abuse charges. Bill said he never laid a hand on either of his two kids, or his wife. I believed him, the way he said it, the tone in his voice I knew it was real. The whole time I talked with him he did not ask me for one dime. Bill's problem is that he was labeled as a sexual preditor, and couldn't get a job not even at McDonalds.

    One day while talking on the phone to my brother I had a great Idea!! Bill can work construction. The crew my brother runs has 2 ex cons on it. So I knew that he could do it. My brother got in touch with a few formens out in kzoo and we set up bill to meet the guy at one of their sites. I gave bill 100 bucks to get some work clothes, and arranged for him to stay at the homless shelter for 3 weeks.

    He went out bought the clothes got the job, and in a month and a half paid me back and then some. I know bill never asked for the money, actually he almost didn't take it, but I told him he wasn't leaving my house with out it.


    just to prove that not all homeless people are scum!!!

    Thats my story


    Oh and bill and I still meet every now and then for lunch.
     
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    there's no question that not all homeless people are "scum"... the question is, how many of them are, by their own actions, choosing to remain homeless and leech. Those are the clowns I have a problem with. I've seen tons of people with just one arm.. or no legs... or deaf people.. or mentally handicapped people etc work jobs. There's pretty much no disability that can't be overcome if there is the will to do so. I'd guestimate that over 90% of the adults you see on the street could work for a living if they just got off their butt.

    Homeless kids and those other "10 percenters" are the ones who should get the helping hand from the various social services / charities.

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    I have a problem with those too . The ones who are capable of doing something , but don't .

    This summer the average temp was what between 101-108 for 3 months . I saw the same lady at the stoplight by the river bottom every afternoon going home .

    The temperatures sure didn't kill her , she could stand all day . She could of gotten a damn job !!
     
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    The comment you made about people standing on corners "beaners" was not appropriate. I would edit my response to say something like "Mexicans". Not trying to start anything but that's just not the right word to use. I wasn't offended but just don't like being referred to as a "beaner".
     
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    a waste...

    I can see your points of veiw--but wouldn't it be better for a homeless person to have a place to sleep other than the street?..I feel its a waste to have several places sitting unused,while people are living in the woods,in tents,doorways,etc..so what if the building might not be perfect--it would be better than nothing!...but yeah,we wouldn't want those types of people living in OUR neigborhood...

    Thanks to lawyers who would SUE on behalf of the homeless,I guess it would be stupid to invite them into a "public" facility..so I suppose "legit" homeless shelters have to carry huge insurance policies to cover potential lawsuits filed by the homeless???..I didn't think someone worried about surviving the night would be afraid of asbstos exposure,etc..

    As for those state hospitals,they once housed thousands of mentally ill and phisically handicapped people,including children..our wonderful state government decided they cared for them long enough,and tossed most of them onto the streets,adding to the homeless problem!..and I know the other one was mostly a waste of money and resources,they didn't REALLY need another state hospital that close to the other..it was all built by political greed,and ensured many politicians friends had good jobs for little or no work at them..

    The way I see it,so what if a few thousand homeless DID end up living in these places??--there always WAS thousands of ill people there anyway--and I would feel better knowing they would at least have a place to eat and sleep other than in the streets..the authorities could keep a better eye on them there, than if they were roaming all over town,it would HELP them..but the attitude here seems to be "screw them,let them croak for all WE care"...

    I realize many of them ARE bums who simply want a free ride--but for every one that is,another is in that position thru no fault of their own..(See "Bill" in a previous post:rolleyes: )...not all chose to live on the streets,or have drug problems--many of the ones that do started "using" once they hit the skids out of despair,not nessasarily before they hit bottom..

    I think its hypocritical of our state to say "we have no places to put these people"--then they turn around and auction off properties like these that COULD easily house them,or let them simply rot..they could also provide many JOBS for the local economy,fixing up the buildings,care providers,food preparers,etc..but no one wants to help the homeless,let them fend for themselves..they would rather spend money on stupid half million dollar playgrounds for kids that get vandalized in days,(one was recently CLOSED because of hazardous slides and other toys!),or on other worthless stuff like statues,etc..these people aren't going away unless they die,so something has to be done...churches and shelters cant meet the demands for help anymore,there is just too many..


    I don't have any grudges against developers personally--but am disgusted what they have done in my area as far as building too many high dollar yuppie castles,Wal-Marts,and do little or nothing for the average "minumum wage Joe",or elderly here..they make millions,give little or nothing back to the community,and many times they bought the land at givaway prices from the state..and its eroding the quality of life here drastically..:crazy:
     
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    Sam Kinison had a way of dealing with the homeless,,,,Remember Sam ??

    Ya' gotta love him,,,,:bow:




    Sam--So you go downtown and you line up all the homeless people,,,you ask the first guy in line if he can get a job,,get back on his feet,,etc,,, if he say's no--shoot the bastard !!

    The next guy in line will have a totally new outlook !!
    Woah !!!****!!! they're shootin' the homeless !!:haha: :haha:
     

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