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Cali peeps - what did you think about the debate?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Skigirl, Sep 24, 2003.

  1. Skigirl

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    Just saw the gubernatorial debate. Could have done without Arianna Huffy and the Green guy. Huffy took cattiness to new heights and destroyed all credibility for women in political office for the next generation or two. The Green guy's just a socialist d!ck. (IMHO)

    What do you think about the potential split in the republican vote? Did the debate lessen or increase that potential?

    And do you think Cruz is in?
     
  2. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    Arianna has a hard-on for Arnie and vice versa; what a couple of a**hats!!!!!

    I read, well I try to read Arianna's column and jeez, she's as dumb talking as she is writing.

    Arnie sounded like he was reading off a script.

    Camejo, you called that one right on /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif.

    McClintock, well we can always hope.

    Cruz is probably our next captain of the shipwreck.............
     
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    McClintock knows WTF he's doing, I;ll say that. It's too bad that the sheeple are going to vote for Arnold instead. If McClintock stays in, Butamonte will take it, followed by Arnie and McClintock. If McClintock drops out then Arnie will win it.

    Oh yeah, and Arianna has a hell of a hard on for railing on the Bush administration...

    You can tell that Arnie is the FNG, he barely said anything unless he was asked one of the questions directly that he got last week or arguing a very narrow point with Bustamante or Arianna. If he does get voted in let's hope he has a very good support staff, because he's goig to end up way over his head.

    The whole thing on prop 54 pissed me off. So in order to have a colorblind society we need to collect lots of data on what color people are? Wouldn't colorblind mean that we don't see color? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif That Socialist candidate was a real idiot about this one - apparantly there is some law that says all Latinos must pay more taxes than all white people? McClintock hit the nail on the head, as usual - people having a bad run of luck come in all colors, and those are the people that need help, regardless of color.
     
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    I agree with both of you. McClintock should win. And I'm afraid Cruz will - he may be worse than Davis. If Cruz doesn't, I think the next guy in is Arnie. He's a smart guy, but not ready for this I think. I wish he'd drop out and throw support to Tom. In my dreams I guess. He'd need quite a staff to make things work in this state.

    Yea, and prop 54 - give me a break. Shaggy - it's just like you said. Colorblind. And I'll tell you right now that doctors don't need prop 54 to fail to collect medical info for research. They do it all the time - just not personal individual information, which is what this bill is really about. HIPAA (a federal regulation) prevents personal medical info from being used without the patient's permission, but does allow non-identified info to be used. All the prop 54 propaganda hides the real issue.

    I'm thinking about calling the republican party HQ and telling them that they ought to fix this - but I'll bet they think that Arnie will win whether he's qualified or not (kinda like how Jerry Springer continues to have a popular show. it's not about substance...)

    Maybe last minute they can get Tom to quit, then make him Lt. Gov under Arnie. That would at least give us a decent advisor and interface with congress.

    If Cruz gets in, lord help us all.

    OH, and kudos to Tom for the CA driver's license statement. He was the only guy with the balls to state the truth on that whole panel.
     
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    I dunno who to vote for anymore. I want to boot Davis out. If for nothing more, to send the message you suck, get out, and we don't have to sit by and take your load of crap anymore. But then if I vote for who I like, McClintock, I feel like he won't win, so my vote is wasted. Reason why, Bustamante will get more then him. I hate him with a passion. He's worse then Davis. So I feel like maybe I should go with Schwarzenegger? I dunno....

    All I know is the debate did nothing for me. It left more questions unanswered then answered. It was stupid and mostly pointless. Camejo used to be normal sounding when he first ran for gov and lost, but now his true colors are out there and he's just a big freak. All know is I just kept hearing the theme from Green Acres in my head everytime Zsa Zsa Huffington spoke.....
     
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    I vote for who I like, McClintock, I feel like he won't win, so my vote is wasted. Reason why, Bustamante will get more then him. I hate him with a passion. He's worse then Davis. So I feel like maybe I should go with Schwarzenegger? I dunno....

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    Exactly my dilema. I want to talk to somebody in the republican party and find out what they hell they think we're supposed to do here. Arnie would be better than Cruz (we're in BIg trouble if that guy gets in), but then we can't vote our conscience and that sucks.

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    I just kept hearing the theme from Green Acres in my head everytime Zsa Zsa Huffington spoke.....

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    It's too bad Dixie Lee Ray died. She was an ex governor of Washington, she would have fit right in.
    1.Gay
    2.Raised Hog's for a pastime
    3.Had really grey hair
    4.Really did'nt add anything to Wa. when she was in
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    I think she reincarnated as Gray Davis.
     
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    4.Really did'nt add anything to Wa. when she was in


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    the only thing any politician can ever do that is posetive is to get the [darn] out of the peoples way. expecting them to "add something" to society is insane.

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    I'm thinking about calling the republican party HQ and telling them that they ought to fix this - but I'll bet they think that Arnie will win whether he's qualified or not (kinda like how Jerry Springer continues to have a popular show. it's not about substance...)

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    You hit the nail right on the head. The real problem is the leadership within the Republican Party itself.

    The conservative movement took a beating during the Clintonista years and the left-wing was able to make a philosophical shift in this country. Twenty years ago, we had a president that everyone was proud of and he was conservative, yet in this day and age, he's portrayed as a extremist by the left wing.

    They are doing the same thing to McClintock now. Heck, if you are a so-called moderate, the left-wing will try to portray ya as an extremist.

    The head guru Republicans seem to think they are in a game of Tiddlywinks and want to play nice. It's time for them to stop playing nice and start having a real bad case of 'roid rage cause they are pissing off a bunch of their core voters, including me with this crap of supporting people like Arnie and Bob Dole.
     
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    ... including me with this crap of supporting people like Arnie and Bob Dole.

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    i understand ur frustration, but lets not diss dole. the man left his arm in Anzio, deserves some respect. was he the best man to select to run for president? definitely not... is he still "the man" for takin it to the Nazis? hell yeah. /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif

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    I'm voting for McClintock. Arnold is in over his head.
     
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    I'm voting for McClintock. Arnold is in over his head.

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    For me the problem is that I believe that Tom McClintock is the hands down best guy for the job, but that he has little chance to win. And that only matters because if Arnie doesn't win, then Cruz will and we'll be in much more trouble than if Arnie was in, even if it is over his head. He does know that I think, and is smart enough to surround himself with folks who would steer him in a better direction than anything Cruz would do.

    And we'll still have Tom in the Senate, which I believe is as important as having him in the governor's chair. With Arnie as governor and Tom influencing the Senate, we'd be better off than if Cruz is governor.

    Issa and Simon have both just endorsed Arnie.

    So the question is, do I vote for my personal favorite and lose or vote for a situation that I believe is best for our state overall and has a chance of succeeding. What results in the greatest good for the greatest number?
     
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    I'm voting for McClintock. Arnold is in over his head.

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    For me the problem is that I believe that Tom McClintock is the hands down best guy for the job, but that he has little chance to win. And that only matters because if Arnie doesn't win, then Cruz will and we'll be in much more trouble than if Arnie was in, even if it is over his head. He does know that I think, and is smart enough to surround himself with folks who would steer him in a better direction than anything Cruz would do.

    And we'll still have Tom in the Senate, which I believe is as important as having him in the governor's chair. With Arnie as governor and Tom influencing the Senate, we'd be better off than if Cruz is governor.

    Issa and Simon have both just endorsed Arnie.

    So the question is, do I vote for my personal favorite and lose or vote for a situation that I believe is best for our state overall and has a chance of succeeding. What results in the greatest good for the greatest number?

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    You are right jekbrown on Dole, he is respected for what he did in WW2, McCain is respected for what happened to him in Vietnam; but as politicians they suck ass............

    Now let me preface this with this disclaimer, my anger is not directed towards you SkiGirl, it's just something that's stuck in my crawl about this whole recall mess.

    I'm sick and tired of these minnymouth Republicans who feel they must vote for the guy they think will win instead of sticking by their guns and voting on principle. It happened with Dole, it happened with Bush, and it's happening here and now in CA.

    This is utter horsecrap!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif

    The leadership of the party is not winning any friends by pushing Arnold unto us like they are; and of course the media is playing along with it; or is it the media playing the Republicans and the Republicans following along?

    Well it's about time to have a good ole revolution within the Republican Party and stop this defeatist attitude of voting for the guy who has the most charisma and name value over the guy who has the best resume. I heard on the radio today that someone was whining about McClintock not appearing strong like a man. WTF is that crap?

    Can y'all tell me who Republican politicians I admire the most? I bet you can't cause they never got the press like the media darlings; they just went to D.C., did their jobs and stuck by their guns, but in the end got tired of the games and most of them have gone home. They didn't even get support from the party like some of these other clowns get.

    Well it's about time that the conservative movement drew that line in the sand and say no more. Start at the top and bring it on down the line and get rid of these fawkers who are ruining the party.

    The Republican Leadership has been playing into the liberals' hands for so long that they've been castrated and have absolutely no fawking creditibility left with me.
     
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    Bubba, I completely agree with you. It infuriates me as well. The leadership obviously doesn't do it's job. And I called them just today and said so. Not that it will make much difference.

    So here we are, in a compromised position during a crisis situation. For me, it's clearly a problem of, "vote my conscience and have Cruz in office because the party was split". I don't want that trade-off. Do I hate being put in that position? Absolutely. But we're in that position. What's the best thing for the state? I will tell you that for the most part I vote for who I want to. But this CA problem is very serious and I think that there will be some very dark days ahead if Cruz wins.

    It's more important to me that Cruz loses than which Republican wins. If that was not the case, I'd be on the McClintock bandwagon bigtime. I guess that sometimes it's not as much about who you're for as much as who you're against.

    So, I would rather that ANY conservative (even semi-conservative) gets in office over Cruz.

    Maybe we handle the crisis first, then get active to change the party.
     
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    I say this.....Vote you consciense, don't compromise your principles. If Bustamante wins, so be it. Then the time will be ripe for unleash Hades unto the leadership of the Republican Party and demand action and take the party back.
     
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    If ol' Cruz wins, heck we can recall his mafia wanna be butt too. I think I will stick with McClintock and hope that everyone else does the same thing... /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    If Cruz wins, I'll just be moving out of state that much faster.
     
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    You are right jekbrown on Dole, he is respected for what he did in WW2, McCain is respected for what happened to him in Vietnam; but as politicians they suck ass............

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    thats ok, i hate politicians, so if they arent good at it they are prolly my kind of people. politicians are by definitely lying pieces of crap. pray to god Im never "good" at that kinda thing.

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    The thing about Bob Dole was that he was a comprimiser, and of course the head dude of the Republicans in the Senate. If he had to sell his soul to get something done, he did. /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif

    As for McCain, well; what can I say. I admire his maverick ways, but some of the things he does it just out of control.
     

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