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Canadians, what's this aboot?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by mikey_d05, Nov 28, 2005.

  1. mikey_d05

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    TORONTO - A corruption scandal forced a vote of no-confidence Monday that toppled Prime Minister Paul Martin's minority government, triggering an unusual election campaign during the Christmas holidays.

    Canada's three opposition parties, which control a majority in Parliament, voted against Martin's government, claiming his Liberal Party no longer has the moral authority to lead the nation.

    The loss means an election for all 308 seats in the lower House of Commons, likely on Jan. 23. Martin and his Cabinet would continue to govern until then.

    bla bla bla....



    Living in SD I don't hear jack about this and am interested in it, what's going on up there?
     
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    i dont know why it says toronto the capatal and wwhere it took place is Ottawa.

    ok the libs only had a minority gov this time around, and then a big scandle came out this last year, and the iquiery just finished, basicly the gov took a buch of money and blew it all in"advertizing" or some crap, it is called ad-scam.


    go i guess peeps finaly got tired of being lied to and did something about it.

    now if we can get rid of this gun registry thing (last i hurd it was over 2500% over budgit)





    EDIT ps stick it in the north fourm next time, we need the help over there.

    also ask rene about it i have this feeling he can give you a ton of details, that guy knows every thing.
     
  3. tRustyK5

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    Our last federal election got us a minority government. We have 4 major parties (although one of the 4 is basically in quebec only) so to have a 'majority government' any of the four need 155 seats. None of the four managed this last time, but the Liberal party (our version of the Democrats) had the most seats.

    Minority governments can last if they have a 'deal' with one of the other parties. This usually waters down the agenda of the party in power. Reality is that 99% of minority governments here fall pretty quickly.

    Any vote to do with a budget or a few other things can lead to the ruling party being defeated. This is commonly known as a "Non-confidence" vote and triggers an election. The Liberals have been pretty scandal plagued and finally ticked off the other parties...

    The stupid part is that Ontario has a ton of 'seats' and will likely vote in as many Liberals as last time. I wouldn't be surprised to see another minority government...

    Overall I think minority governments suck. It's not easy on our economy as it creates uncertainty. So far it hasn't done much in that regard, but the potential is there IMO. Usually whoever comes in next axes a ton of stuff the previous party just put through. Right now the Liberals are spending nearly $1 billion per day in programs, tax cuts, etc etc trying to buy our votes with our money. I'd love a tax cut, but not like this and not if it means keeping the Liberals in power.

    Bored yet? :haha:

    rene
     
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    Nah, I like hearing what's going on in the 51st state...
     
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    It's fine in here IMO. nobody reads the 'North' forum anyways. :D

    The 4 main parties here are

    Liberals (Equivalent to the Democrats...'center left')
    Conservatives (Equivalent to the republicans...'center right')
    New Democrats (Off the left side of the scale...)
    Bloc Quebecois (Special interest group IMO, not happy until quebec seperates)

    Rene
     
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    see Rene knows
     
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    Hey now, what does Mexico have to do with this thread? :haha:

    Rene
     
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    No, actually, I'm not bored. If not for engineering I would have gone into poli. sci.

    It's interesting to see how other governments work, not only in form but also function. Thanks for the info.
     
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    So Rene tell Me this. Seems like the English speaking part of Canada does not care for the French part, right? The French speaking part wants to secede from the rest of Canada, right?
    So what is the problem? Cut them lose.
     
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    I seem to remember reading once, that a single province every year (or every four, whatever) takes a vote to secede from the union it's in, and becomes its own country.

    That province is, of course, Texas.

    Well, and Quebec.

    I suspect the vote is purely symbolic, as the taxation and tariff issues alone would drive the rest of the union mad.

    Yes, I know that Texas was once its own country ... and Quebecois just wish Quebec had been, but otherwise, they talk funny, they want out of the union, and are generally a bunch of sh!t-starters :haha:

    And every KNOWS that Canada is the 53rd state. :whistle: :screwy:

    -- A
     
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    Wow that just made absolutely no focking sense what so ever.
     
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    Everyone on the board is now dumber for having read that. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
     
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    Quebec is a wierd and complex issue. About half of them want to secede from Canada, and coincedentally about 50% of them speak French...:thinking:

    I think most of Canada is offended by the special treatment that Quebec gets from the federal government. At the same time i think both Canada and Quebec would be much worse if Quebec did secede. In fact, if Quebec did secede I could see western Canada doing the same shortly thereafter. Anything that would fracture the country like that wouldn't be a good thing no matter what we think of them personally.

    Rene
     
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    Considering the tax rates in Canada, its safe to say any tax cut would be good. As Kennedy, Reagan and Bush have proved with their tax cuts... they result in more money coming in to the treasury, not less... they therefore don't cost anything. Naturally this doesn't apply if you look at just 1 year... it takes time. Reagan cut taxes in 1981. By 1988 money coming in to the government had doubled.

    Regardless of the party, take/enjoy every tax cut you can get.

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    np, the rest could just join the USA. We'd take ya. You could even keep your socialist ways (we have them in CA and Mass... so why not?!)... just keep it at the state level. Can you imagine the amount of grain and lumber production the US would have then? Good lord. :grin:

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    The problem is this: The canadian taxpayers federation has been screraming at the Liberals for 8 years now telling them taxation rates are way too high. For the last 8 years we've been running a surplus well into the billions...

    For the last 8 years the Liberals have been harrumphing, changing the subject, avoiding the subject, ignoring the obvious, basically doing everything but giving us some tax relief...until 5 days before they lose a non confidence vote. I'll take a tax cut happily, but not from the Liberals. Their big plan involves waiting for three years before anything significant kicks in, more than enough time to claw it all back anyways.

    I'd much rather see them address 'bracket creep' and leave the actual rates alone. The bracket's have not changed since the early 80's. Back then 40K/yr was a lot of money and at that income level the rate was 40% (for anything over $40K). No big deal as at the time it was at the high end for the middle class. Now $40K is a very common income...so many more people just barely getting by are getting hammered by the tax rate. The rate should have been inexed to inflation.

    Anyways, If the Conservatives get in there will be tax cuts as well. Either way the voters will get some tax relief. The question is which party it'll be. Just depends on how disgusted Canadians are with the 'old guard'...

    Rene
     
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    I hear ya bro... no surpise on the timing of the tax cuts. :rolleyes: I see Canadian lefties are just as slimey as Amercian lefties...

    j
     
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    Forget the grain and lumber I want their gas and oil. I think we need to plant clean cut well mannered sleeper cells in Canada and get the ball rolling on the Canada break up thing.
    :wink1: :D
     
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    Well, that pretty much rules out anyone YOU know......:haha:
     
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    :rolleyes: What do You think We have guy's like Ratch for :rolleyes:
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