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Cops ruffin' up suspects. Whats your take?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Twiz, Jul 21, 2002.

  1. Twiz

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    Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    Have you all been blasted with the "news" stories like I have been?

    Videos of cops getting overly-aggressive with the suspects.

    Whats your take? Where do you draw the line? How far is too far?

    Would your opinion change if you were .... of different ethnic back round?
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    Fair is fair, when the cop is off duty, the victim gets his shot at the pig. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    shoot if a cop ever trys to ruff up my suspect i would beat the living crap out of em...hehe /forums/images/icons/grin.gif
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
    Whats your take? Where do you draw the line? How far is too far?

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    Stay away from the donuts and no one gets hurt!!!! /forums/images/icons/grin.gif
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    I think it goes both ways.... some cops are out there because they are on power trips and that job feeds into it. They like to push around folks and treat them like crap because it makes them feel big and how you gonna argue with them? They'll lie and of course some judge is not gonna believe you so you're screwed...

    I have a good friend (coworker) who is black and he's stopped constantly. This guy is in his 50's, is a social worker and has various degrees, always nicely dressed... wtf? Like he's out to steal cars. His drivers license say Dr. on it too. Also my former Mary Kay director is black. She was stopped and harassed because some chick robbed a mini mart and took off on foot. My friend had her 3 kids in the back of her mini van dressed up nicely on her way home from church... only thing matched was she was black and female. So does that mean everyone who matches that needs to be stopped? Crap like that burns me and it happens daily. Color plays into and I don't care what the cops say it does make a difference how someone is treated!! You never see all white guys stopped because one white dude broke the law and the police are looking for them...

    But at the same time there's lots of good cops who deal with crap day in day out.... they do their jobs well and are honest. If someone gets out of hand they do what they have to do. I'm sure I'd have moments of anger if I had to deal with druggies, rapists, murders, liars, cheats and who knows what else daily...

    Oh and that kid down by LA (I can assume part of Twiz asking this is based on him).... I think that little crap wigged out (maybe rightfully so, maybe not), look at the cops head though, it didn't bleed because the guy said hey I wished my head would bleed and *poof* blood squirts out... he did something to it. Probably why he slammed that kid into the trunk. The sucker punch to the face was wrong... but sheesh.... it seems up until them the kid was probably not being exactly helpful... that video shows nothing before that. And of course the kid will defend his actions and the cops theirs. Way I see way more went on then both sides are telling... and until both sides wanna be honest then there's no case here either way....
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    All good points Steph.

    I'm on the same line of thinking as you are.

    There isn't a doubt in my mind that there is a degree of "profileing" going on. Right or Wrong, thats just the way it is.
    I got my fair share when I was a younger, driveing around an old beat-up car. It/I looked like trouble and was treated accordingly (but never beaten, then again I allways did as I was tolled, too). At one point, I had my long-haired collage buddy visit for a weekend, we were pulled over 3-times in one day! I know they were "profileing" us as drugies or something. I since cleaned up my image and drive a "nicer" looking ride, I don't get pulled over anywhere near as often now.

    As far as "ruffing" up a suspect.
    Some of it is about intimidation, the cops need to project an image of power to stay/take control. If the media is going to nail 'em for it, and make them appear to be "thugs with a badge". Then how else are they going to control a situation?
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

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    The sucker punch to the face was wrong... but sheesh...

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    But you don't know why the cop punched him. Could it be because the kid had the cop by the balls?
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    Here is a copy of the facts.I. OFFICER IN INGLEWOOD INDICTED FOR ASSAULT

    Inglewood Officer Jeremy Morse, 24, was indicted by the Los Angeles County
    Grand Jury Wednesday on felony assault charges. He was charged with
    assault under the color of authority for the videotaped 'use of force'
    against 16-year-old Donovon Jackson. Inglewood Officer Bijan Darvish,
    Morse's partner, was charged with filing a false police report. Both
    officers pleaded innocent to the charges Thursday and were released on
    $25,000 bail each, provided by the Inglewood police union.

    The grand jury heard testimony from 11 witnesses including Jason and his
    father, County Sheriff's deputies Carlos Lopez and Daniel Leon (who were
    among the officers at the scene), and other Inglewood officers. Morse
    himself did not testify.

    The incident, which has attracted national attention, occurred when
    Inglewood officers approached Jackson's father, Coby Chavis, at a gas
    station in order to investigate the expired tags on his car, the Sheriff's
    Department is reported as saying.

    When Jackson came out of the gas station, he ignored orders by the
    officers and a struggle ensued. Morse and Darvish showed up as backup as
    Jackson was lunging for one of the deputies, Darvish wrote in his report.
    Darvish also reported that he and Morse thought they saw Jackson hit the
    deputy.

    Mitchell Crooks, a tourist from northern California, was a bystander and
    videotaped the incident and what was recorded showed Morse "slamming" the
    handcuffed boy onto the trunk of a squad care and "punching" him in the
    face. Morse, who is shown in the video with a streak of blood running down
    his face next to his ear, said in police reports that he punched Jackson
    in response to the boy grabbing his testicles.

    Further, Jackson's relatives claim that he is 'developmentally disabled',
    and does not fully process commands.

    Morse and Darvish could face up to three years in state prison if
    convicted.
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    OK..Well those of you who know me should have bet that I would step up to the soap box and ........


    I can not and will not ever second guess a cop in a situation like the one on TV. Was he right???? Was he wrong???? Who knows. That is the job of the jury.

    What the camera doesn't show is thte fact that the "bad" guy has a handful of Officer Morse's testicles and that Morse hit the kid to get him to release his grip on the family jewels.

    So far I agree with everybodies replies except for Thatk30guy........."Fair is fair, when the cop is off duty, the victim gets his shot at the pig."


    Yes, fair is fair. Do you have any idea how many times I have been hit, kicked, spit at?? Is it OK for me to find the guy when he is released from jail and hit, kick or spit on him/her?? NO!!!!!(never thought about it that way did you?)

    "...when the cop is off duty...." Mistake. Don't ever confront me(or any other cop who is doing the RIGHT thing for the RIGHT reason.) when I am off duty. Especially if you plan on getting frisky. I will be the first one to beat the tar out of you. I have personally never had this happen to me. I think it is because I treat everyone the same. Black, white green, etc. Everyone is treated with dignity and respect. Even the ones that hit, spit, etc. Would I like to punch you in the face?? Hell yes. I would be a liar if I said No.

    ".....the victim gets a shot at the pig." Pig??? Come on. Is this the third grade?? Is it OK to call me a pig?? Is it OK to refer to others who are a different race as a(insert derogatory word)??? The answer is NO!!!!

    K30guy, these comments are not directed at you personally, but rather your statement. If you read and think about what I said....you would probably agree with me. Please correct me if I am wrong. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif /forums/images/icons/cool.gif
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    I agree with Moabdad
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    Geez!! Some people sure get their feathers ruffled pretty easily!! /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif

    If only you knew me like most others on this site do, you would very quickly know that I'm a joker. /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif Almost all the others will stand up and tell you how I am. Just wait. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

    BTW, I have nothing against pigs...er..cops. /forums/images/icons/blush.gif Some of my buddies are cops and they are just like brothers to me.

    BTW, again, if a cop ever came up to me and did the same to this kid, I'm going with the flow and let him do whatever he wants.
    But mark my words, when the day comes that the cop so much lays a hand on my wife or child, he better damn well pray that he has some damn good health insurance. I don't care if he is the biggest, baddest cop on the force. I'm still gonna drop him and it's not going to be with a weapon! /forums/images/icons/mad.gif /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    cops can be wrong 2.i'm thankfull you guys are doing shitty (getting spit on,kicked called names)job to protect my family.i'm 33 w/ long hair and bone stock s10 can't count how may times i've been pulled over.(cop)sir:what are you doing in this area?or we got phone call about a suspisous vehicle a black s10 with a white trailer with my company name on it. mobile detailing
    i thought profilling was dead?long hair must be doing something illegal. /forums/images/icons/cool.gif
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    That kid has magic hands to have had the cops "jewels" from that angle.... the punch was a cheap shot. Maybe the kid was out of line... heck like I said the cops head was bleeding so being angry I can see. But he slammed him down on the trunk. Fine that wasn't that big of a deal, after all he could have been rightfully angry. But then there's how many cops by him while he's in cuffs? He nails him. That was just uncalled for. There's a certain amount of professionalism that he should have maintained. To me that punch crossed it...... I get pissed at work. I take action sometimes (say "hey you're an idiot"). You have a right to get mad, but there's a point to remember that you're the one at your job and have too keep a level head and bring it back down to earth.... even if they are scum or they deserve it....
     
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    That kid has magic hands to have had the cops "jewels" from that angle.... the punch was a cheap shot.

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    I don't know that, you don't know that. It's not on the video. Of course, the word was out before the media said anything about it. Assumption is the mother of all f*** ups!

    Yes, it's possible to get touchy feely in handcuffs. Heck, I've gotten out of handcuffs with mine own key, so a lot of stuff is possible.

    If the kid had a hold on the cop's private parts, then yeah, the cop's use of force, in my mind and I'm sure in the minds of a lot of guys is justified.
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    I agree with Moabdad. He sounds like one O the good ones. But there are way too many "Bad Ones" out there now. In my town the local police force is one of the best equipped in the state. (over equipped if you ask me) However they are growing way too fast and some of the officers they have hired are down right terrorists. They just hired 9 new cops from the long beach area. These guys admit that they came here because there is no "Internal Affairs" on this force. They have been badgering and harassing us since they arrived. They even came here on Christmas Eve and handcuffed my manager and stuck him in the back of a squad for two hours while they ransacked his trailer. They said that a robery had occurred and that his vehicle matched the description. Please keep in mind that they first had to know where we lived (out in the sticks) and they had to know what type of vehicle he drove. This was a bunch of crap. He was never arrested for anything and the search was illegal. My manager is afraid of the local cops now and won't fight them.

    Now you ask, "Why are they harassing you guys?" It's for the simple reason that they want us out of here so the town can buy the property for half it's value. They are doing the same thing to other local businesses for the same reason. The town needs a certain amount of "OPEN LAND" in order to continue building massive tracts in what used to be a nice rural area. They are bulldoging everyone out that gets in their way.

    So right now I don't have too many good things to say about cops. Cops are supposed to be enforcement people. Not hired guns. The sign on the side of the car says "To Protect And Serve". Protect and serve who? The city council or the population? Sometimes these guys forget who is paying them and what their real job is.

    Tell ya one thing though. I sure wouldn't want their job. And as far as this latest show of force is concerned, I think the guy will live and he should have just taken his lumps and left it at that. At least they didn't shoot him. /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    I agree with Steph. Some do have a power trip, but alot do not. I have seen instances where a criminal will pretend to cooperate and then wig out and hurt/kill a cop. If I were a cop (and by the way you couldn't pay me enough to do it) I would always be on my toes and if somebody hit me or grabbed me, they better make the first one good, because they wouldn't get a second chance (it not worth it for me.....or my family). The way I look at it is A.) you should not be in this situation.....(don't commit the crime), and B.) if you do commit the crime and then add insult to injury (hit me or grab the jewels), you will not get a second chance. I will add that there should be a line and most cops know where it is (being in control and showing the perp who is in charge without beating him to an inch of his life, unless their own life is threatened). The thing that pisses me off is sometimes crooks/criminals/fellons have more rights than me or you and sometimes even the cops.....that is B.S. I agree that there has to be protocol, but then there is stupidity (in the Law).
    I respect those who enforce the law and do so justifiably, those that have power trips and those that think their shite don't stink can kiss my butt /forums/images/icons/blush.gif /forums/images/icons/grin.gif /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    I don't know the whole story because I was not there. But lots of folks have forgotten that they were not there and have already drawn their own assumptions of what happened and have decided that what they believe happened, did. That's wrong IMO.
     
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    I think it's cool that they pounded on the guy. Let's have another Los Angeles Riot.
     
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    Re: Cops ruffin\' up suspects. Whats your take?

    Ok I'll chime in!!
    I second the I wasnt there and dont know what really happened.

    The officer if the suspect was in handcuffs and was able to grab the family jewels needs to go back for more officer safety training. If he escorts a suspect properly his hands wont come near the jewels. Definate adrenaline rush on the part of the officer from getting punched or getting his jewels grabbed. Also poor officer safety of even putting the guy on the car.

    The suspect should be charged with grabbing. Here it would be a felony even through clothes.

    I am curious was this the incident where the guy doing the videotaping was later arrested on warrants. So was there a reason why he started the video tape when he did?

    I will be the first to say if at the time of either the slam on the car or the punch by the officer the kid did not have a hold of the officer it is excessive force.

    It is a very tough thing to do but once the person is in custody you have to shut it off no matter what preceeded. This is why most good officers I know workout to get rid of penned up aggression.

    Just my .02
     
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    <font color="blue"> Here's my take on the whole thing ....... Police have a tough job ! The $#!t that they see and deal with on a daily basis has got to be more than most can handle ! I'm surprised there isn't more of this happening ! I doubt that I'd be able to control myself in situations like that ........ the public has no respect for the authorities these days and when things like this occur, the media jumps all over it and sides with the "bad " ones ! I don't think I'd feel any different if I was another race either ........ it shouldn't matter ! I'm not so sure if the cop was grabbed in his seeds, but never the less, it does sound like he was punched earlier from the subject .....who really knows ? All I know for sure is this ........ I don't like seeing this stuff happen , but I can sure understand why it would ! People can only be pushed so far until they react in a way that is maybe not appropriate, but until we're in their shoes, we have nothing to say on how they should have reacted or dealt with the situation ! Just think on how pissed you got the last time somebody cut you off in traffic ....... now try dealing with everybody cutting you off ........ you know what I mean ??????</font color>
     

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