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Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by michaelm, Dec 15, 2001.

  1. michaelm

    michaelm 1/2 ton status

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    <a target="_blank" href=http://wsphotofews.excite.com/039/5d/dj/FH/ma19187.jpg>http://wsphotofews.excite.com/039/5d/dj/FH/ma19187.jpg</a>
    first does the link to image work?

    this is an example of why ORD's arm is better.
    So I am open to suggestions...
    the truck is currently several inches higher then legal headlight limit due to some previous mods (1" longer shackle,teflon buttons between leaves) and new tire size.
    I hope to be down low enough by pulling a few leaves from the spring pack but will have to find current laws regarding frame hieght to plan next course of action.

    I am thinking about trying to S bend the drag link to alleviate the tie rod binding.
    either that or sell the steering arm to someone with less lift and starting over.
     
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    thatK30guy 1 ton status Premium Member

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    I agree, totally, 200% that the ORD arm is better.

    Those ORD arms are machined so the angle on the drag link sit better and more "horizontal" to the drag link angle.

    And yes, I also agree the drag link in that picture is too "limited" and will (already is!) bind the tie rod end.

    I bought the ORD D60 arm a while back and will be running it someday. I'm also going with the Rockstomper tie rods and drag link, too. [​IMG]

    I notice those "flat" arms like you showed are made by Dynatrac. [​IMG] They sell them like that one in the picture for around $150.
    I would rather pay the extra for the ORD arm and KNOW the angle is waayyy better than the Dynatrac arm!! [​IMG]



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  3. tRustyK5

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    Would a 2" steering block help out?

    Rene

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    Rene, now that you mention the 2" block, I remember ORU had an article in Four Wheeler about this conversion they did to a truck with 12" suspension lift.

    They used the block AND still took the tie rod ends and bent them in a press to angle them to the pitman arm and steering arm to have a better operating angle.

    If you go to the ORU site, you can click on the Four Wheeler article once you get to the crossover steering parts for sale. [​IMG]



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    Well I guess you could have an angle milled on a block that would help out quite a bit...

    I really don't see a custom block being a big deal, unless I'm missing something.

    Rene

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    ORU also uses a flat arm and theirs is way beyond ORD's in price.
    have you seen their solution? they bend the TIEROD END!!!!
    so if you run their stuff and need to replace ends down the road you have to heat and bend it. no way will I build wearing items that cant be off the shelf replaced.

    the tie rod in mine isnt at the end of its travel, YET, just to damn close for me.
     
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    <a target="_blank" href=http://www.offroadunlimited.com/articles/crossover_steering/page1.htm>http://www.offroadunlimited.com/articles/crossover_steering/page1.htm</a>

    wish their sites 'click to enlarge image' actually enlarged to a useable size. or they would be forth coming as to the parts they use, tie rod #s etc

    their 'bend slightly' and mine differ by a fair bit...

    <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by 77chev on 12/15/01 12:58 PM.</FONT></P>
     
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    I don't know what ORD gets for their arms, but Avalance has some nice ones with the angle. The price on the straight drilled ones (for heims) is $104 (http://www.avalancheengr.com/parts/steering/high_steer_dana60.htm).

    Pete

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    EXACTLY!!! Those tie rod ends being bent down are not what I would want to run!!!
    You think after heating and bending a vital part of the steering components, that the heat might affect the internals of the ball in the tie rod end? I would imagine so. That's why I would not ever run anything like that from ORU. [​IMG]

    I did notice ORU uses the flat arm, too. I think they buy those arms from Dynatrac and then mark-up the price for their own profit. [​IMG]



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  10. Brian 89KBlazer

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    No one seems to have mentioned Rock Stomper in Firestone, Colorado!!??!! They make a flat D60 arm &amp; make a bent drag link from the same material used for the rock rod which is 1.25" DOM sleeved with 1.5" DOM. I really don't think your going to bend these &amp; it takes care of the angle &amp; the engine cross-member clearance too!

    Same set-up Shawn Spickler used on his Blazer but I can't find the review anymore on Off-Road.com.

    I've got the ORD arm but I'm building my own new frame too so the engine cross-member is not an issue for me so I may even get away with a straight draglink.

    Good Luck

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    Thank you brian, I was suprised nobody remembers this or has noticed, don't know if that was the same company I remember seeing but the arm is kinda s shaped and corrects a lot of that problem

    Like em big and topless
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    Man, that is bad looking (bad in a bad way [​IMG]).

    I'm using a Steering Arm made by Parts Mike, and it's flat too. But I'm running the Rockstomper bent drag link (the "S" shape you're talking about) and it's all good.
    I'm kinda confused though, I know ORD makes some really nice arms, that are angled the way you want it, if you're running a straight draglink, but if you're getting an "S" shape one anyway (to clear crossmember), why would you need a steering arm that is angled. That question isn't really directed towards you (77chev), but I notice Steve (Fox) is running a bent drag link with the ORD arm. I'm sure it works well, but I think it would work the same if you're using a flat top (usually priced cheaper) arm...no?
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    Where the arm mounts to the 60 knuckle is not parallel to the ground, thus there is a benefit to the angled arm even with a bent drag link.

    Pete

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    Gotcha!! You're right, forgot about that. Thanks
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    a 4x4 shop suggested heating and twisting the arm...
     
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    Geee, that sounds like a safe thing to do. Do you get a free "Illusions" sticker with that?

    Rene

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    so
    in your expert metal fabbing opinion
    that is not a good idea?
    gotta admit I dont like the sound of it
    but
    WTF do I know?
    it isnt a forged arm or anything just looks like mild steel, will it hurt the strength significantly?
    and no it wasnt Illusions as I have never ventured into their shop(s), close enough though, I saw lots of stuff beng done that I wouldnt pay for
     
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    I have the RockStomper crossover kit installed on my D60. The flat arm comes in their kit too... but what they do, is correctly stated above. The draglink is significantly bent to meet the lift YOUR vehicle has. When you call them to order, they ask how much lift you have. Then they bend the draglink accordingly.

    I like my kit, and can't complain about the size of the tierod or draglink... [​IMG] they are friggin' huge!

    If anyone needs pics, I can post some later tonight...

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    I wanna see the pics!
     
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    Here is a pic of mine taken awhile back. Doesn't look this "nice" anymore.....
    <a target="_blank" href=http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pf460387c04f3871e4024916a96498216/fe120fba.jpg.orig.jpg>http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pf460387c04f3871e4024916a96498216/fe120fba.jpg.orig.jpg</a>

    That's rockstomper draglink, 4" to 5" of lift, and Parts Mike Steering arm.
    Boss

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