Okay...I know some people are banging their head on a wall now , but I don't care /forums/images/icons/grin.gif I really do have a nice looking motor under the hood. It's been leaked on and dirtied up some and the flex fan has sandblasted the front of the motor. /forums/images/icons/mad.gif I also think that you can catch leaks better on a clean motor than a dirty one. What degreaser have y'all used that is good but won't take paint off. Also, I've got mud that has been baked onto my headers...it's like concrete now. Any ideas?