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did 10 bolts ever come on 1 tons??

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by unick, Sep 18, 2003.

  1. unick

    unick 1/2 ton status

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    My brother seems to think that he has 1 ton gear. He says that because he switched the hubs off of a 1 ton that means that the truck he pulled the parts off of had a 10 bolt.
     
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    6.2Blazer 1/2 ton status

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    1-tons did not have a Dana 60 front axle until '77, prior to that I guess that any 1-ton 4x4 (if available) would have had a Dana 44 front axle.....but I'm not sure.

    In any case, it's hard to judge what the truck was equipped with originally on any older truck because of the possibility of parts being swapped around.
     
  3. rjfguitar

    rjfguitar 3/4 ton status GMOTM Winner

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    Tell your brother he is a dumbass because dana 60(1ton) hubs are bigger than 10bolt hubs. He might have found some dana 44 hubs that I think will fit on a 10Bolt that COULD have come of of a 76' and earlier 1ton that used dana 44's. Even though they were rated one ton springs it still was just 3/4ton running gear. Hubs don't mean $hit! It's the axles that make it a 1ton(dana60,F,14boltFF,R). what a dumbass! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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  4. unick

    unick 1/2 ton status

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    thats what I thought. I told him it probably wasnt a 1 ton truck if it had a 10 bolt
     
  5. Beast388

    Beast388 1/2 ton status

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    [ QUOTE ]
    1-tons did not have a Dana 60 front axle until '77, prior to that I guess that any 1-ton 4x4 (if available) would have had a Dana 44 front axle.....but I'm not sure.

    In any case, it's hard to judge what the truck was equipped with originally on any older truck because of the possibility of parts being swapped around.

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    There was no 1-ton 4wd offered until '77. 1-tons had only a D60 front and a 14BFF/D70 rear. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
     
  6. rjfguitar

    rjfguitar 3/4 ton status GMOTM Winner

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    There was no 1-ton 4wd offered until '77. 1-tons had only a D60 front and a 14BFF/D70 rear. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif

    [/ QUOTE ] Yes there was. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
     
  7. kennyw

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    There was no 1-ton 4wd offered until '77. 1-tons had only a D60 front and a 14BFF/D70 rear. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif

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    Exactly. GM did not sell a 1 ton 4x4 before 1977. Then when they started selling them they only came with D60 front axles.

    Back in the 50's you could get a 1 ton converted to 4x4 with the Napco conversion but it was basically a 3/4 ton front axle. In the 60's and 70's IHC did offer a 1 ton 4x4 with D60 and sometimes D70 closed knuckle drum brake axles though. I think the lock outs used on those axles are basically the same as the early 3/4 ton D44 Chevy axles with external bolts.
     
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    Beast388 1/2 ton status

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    [ QUOTE ]
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    There was no 1-ton 4wd offered until '77. 1-tons had only a D60 front and a 14BFF/D70 rear. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif

    [/ QUOTE ] Yes there was. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif

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    Care to enlighten us?

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    He might have found some dana 44 hubs that I think will fit on a 10Bolt that COULD have come of of a 76' and earlier 1ton that used dana 44's. Even though they were rated one ton springs it still was just 3/4ton running gear. Hubs don't mean $hit! It's the axles that make it a 1ton(dana60,F,14boltFF,R).

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    You contradicted yourself in that statement. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

    Dana 44's are not 1-ton axles. Dana 60 fronts are 1-ton axles. Dana 60 fronts were not available in the front of a GM 4X4 until 1977. See where I am going with this? /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
     
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    Tell your brother he is a dumbass because dana 60(1ton) hubs are bigger than 10bolt hubs. He might have found some dana 44 hubs that I think will fit on a 10Bolt that COULD have come of of a 76' and earlier 1ton that used dana 44's. Even though they were rated one ton springs it still was just 3/4ton running gear. Hubs don't mean $hit! It's the axles that make it a 1ton(dana60,F,14boltFF,R). what a dumbass! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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    Jeez, buddy...why don't you call this guy's brother a dumbass one more time /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
    Just answer the question and leave any personal comments to yourself next time. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
     
  10. unick

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    no its ok. he is a dumb ass. I hope he sees this thread. haha

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  11. rjfguitar

    rjfguitar 3/4 ton status GMOTM Winner

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    GM did make a 1ton 4x4 before 77' because it was labeled a k30 but for the running gear, techniclay it is just a 3/4ton. I thought you meant that a LABELED k30 wasn't available before 77' /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

    The guy thinks he has a 1 ton because of some hubs, COME ON that is as dumb as it gets. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
     
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    Before we keep labeling someone a "dumbass", maybe we should ask if he thought it was a 10 bolt because of the amount of bolts holding the cover plate on. A Dana 60 has 10 bolts for the cover plate as well as the 10 bolt axle and Dana 44 axle. Plus, the GM 10 bolt front axle was not put in any Chevy or GMC truck prior to '79, and was only under K10 or K20 and was never under a K30. Unfortunately for many, a 44 looks alot like a 60 since the diff covers look really similar.
     
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    All true, but D60 hubs will not fit on a 10 bolt so the point is moot.

    Rene
     
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    WhiteWhomper 1/2 ton status

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    By the way, GM did offer 1 ton factory 4x4's prior to '77. My Dad had a '68 GMC 1 ton 4x4. It however was a "Spicer" (Dana) model 44 front axle and had a massive Eaton rear axle. So you are correct the Dana 60 was not available until '77, but a 1 ton rated 4x4 was around earlier.
     
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    WhiteWhomper 1/2 ton status

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    True, just trying to stick up for the "knowledge" challenged, which at one time we all were.
     
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    I'm sorry, but you are wrong. It may have been a 3/4 ton and because it was 8 lug, he called it a 1 ton. GM did no make a 1 ton 4x4 until '77.
     
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    I've got to disagree.

    I consider myself fairly fluent in the 67-72 GM truck info. All of the books that I have, as well as the knowledgeable folks over on www.67-72chevytrucks.com show that 1-ton trucks were 2wd only. If you wanted a 4wd, your choices were 1/2 or 3/4 ton. Heck, even my owners manual lists the available models....C10, C20, C30, K10 & K20. There are quite a few people that consider their external hubbed front axle truck a "1 ton" because the hubs are so big. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

    Do you know what the '68's VIN was? I bet it was KE2xxxxxx. There was never a KE3xxxxx VIN between 67-72. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    I'll have to see if I can find the original delivery ticket for that truck again. My Great Uncle ordered that truck for his Construction Company new in '68 and then sold it to my Dad in '72 and we kept that truck around for 15 years until it crumbled away. In anycase, the delivery ticket was for a 1 ton 4x4. I will conceed that it may have been special order, but it was a 1 ton. It also came with a 4 bolt main 327 (which my Uncle still has) a SM420 4-speed, divorced Dana 200 t-case and 4:56 gears.
     
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    At least on the GMC side, for the only year I looked closely (1973) you could not get a 3500 in 4wd, ONLY 2wd.

    Obviously not conclusive for all the other years, but it is for 1973, and I doubt Chev offered a 1 ton 4wd while GMC did not.
     
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    I have got to know the 60-66 trucks very well. I even have a ton of 60-66 Chevy sales brochures. None of them list a 1 ton 4x4. However GMC was very good at allowing special orders for customers who were willing to pay for what they wanted. GMC truck did not fully intergrate with Chevy Truck until 1969.

    I have also looked at the section mod. #'s in the sales brochures and the 1/2 and 3/4 ton 4x4 frames were equal in strength to the 1 ton 2wd frames in 1960-66 (this probably carried thru to '72 as well). The Eaton rear axle was std for 3/4 ton 4x4's in '68 and it was used in both 3/4 and 1 ton 2wd's with the only difference being bigger brakes on the 1 ton.

    So add extra leaf springs to a 3/4 ton 4x4 and now you have a 1 ton frame, springs and rear axle /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif But still only have a 3/4 ton front axle.
     

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