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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by speedyvision917, Sep 9, 2004.

  1. speedyvision917

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    Ok im not trying to start a huge argument...although i have a feeling it might turn into that, im just wondering about the draft that people seem to think Bush is trying to supposidly create. Im pretty sure it wont happen but id like to know why it cant. A freind of mine has explained to me how its not possible before, but i forgot, so thats why im asking for anyone with an intelligent comment or answer to please help me out since people keep saying hes going to make a draft and id like to tell them theyre wrong but cant back myself up with why. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif Im hoping bubba will see this since he seems to know what hes talking about the most, although anyones intellegent non Bush/Kerry bashing opinions or answers are welcome /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif Thankyou
     
  2. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    Im hoping bubba will see this since he seems to know what hes talking about the most,

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    That's news to me...............
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    Seriously, on a personal level, I would like to see the draft reinstituted.

    But in reality, I don't think, minus some very serious attack on our homeland (think a lot bigger than 9-11, Pearl Harbor), there is no way a draft can be reinstituted because of the backlash the government will get.

    In this day and age, Americans have become for the most part, selfish and do not wish to sacrifice a couple years of their lives for the betterment of their country.
     
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    I haven't heard anything about Bush trying to reinstitute the draft. Thats all new news to me. Its kind of funny though, because I'm in the Air Force and they are trying to cut some 20,000 people through our version of "corporate downsizing." Downsize to draft? Doesn't make sense. I'd like to find out some more info about this though.

    Kris
     
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    on a personal level, I would like to see the draft reinstituted.

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    How come? /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif

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    Americans have become for the most part, selfish and do not wish to sacrifice a couple years of their lives for the betterment of their country.

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    Too true!
     
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    In my career field (Weather)they just cut out all the CJR's (Career job reservation)and people are being forced to crosstrain or get out. Glad I'm too far along to worry about that.
     
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    I received this in an email awhile back and since then i have had one of my teachers comment about a draft along with a few other people.
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    US Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005

    The current agenda of the US federal government is to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism." Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election!

    Reinstatement of the draft

    Dear Friends and Family,

    I urge you to read the article below on the current agenda of the federal government to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism."

    Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW, so our action is needed immediately. Details and links follow.

    If voters who currently support U.S. aggression abroad were confronted with the possibility that their own children or grandchildren might not have a say about whether to fight, many of these same voters might have a change of mind. (Not that it should make a difference, but this plan would among other things eliminate higher education as a shelter and would not exclude women -- and Canada is no longer an option.)

    Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And let your children know -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

    The Draft*

    $28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004.

    The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm

    Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed Services.

    Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their cur-rent semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.


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    I thought it was a gimmick at first until i herd other people talking about it. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
  7. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    on a personal level, I would like to see the draft reinstituted.

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    It goes back to my second statement. I think that if people were to do a couple of years in the military, it would give more people a greater appreciation for what we have in this country.

    We can delve off into the deeper issues with this argument, but I'd prefer to keep this discussion on the surface issues cause those that would question those deeper issues, I already have an answer and it's already been hashed out a hundred times before.
     
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    I wouldn't buy that for any more than a political advertisement for the Democrats.

    Only problem with bringing back the draft is, we'd have to lower our standards! People would have to work, follow instructions, stop smoking pot...oh the humanity!
     
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    Sounds like the military has cut its own foot off by giving all these people the boot and now they need to draft the general populace to backfill all the positions. This only seems to create more problems because all the new people have no clue what is going on, and when they do "get it," they will be almost done with there 2 or 3 years and be out the door to be replaced by someone else new. Sorry. Rant off.

    Kris
     
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    Nope, not trying to start any stuff. Just curious. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
     
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    on a personal level, I would like to see the draft reinstituted.

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    It goes back to my second statement. I think that if people were to do a couple of years in the military, it would give more people a greater appreciation for what we have in this country.

    We can delve off into the deeper issues with this argument, but I'd prefer to keep this discussion on the surface issues cause those that would question those deeper issues, I already have an answer and it's already been hashed out a hundred times before.

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    Damn straight. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

    I think I'm a better person for my service, although I doubt y'all would agree. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
     
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    I beleive that the rumor started when they started looking for replacement members for draft boards. The members of draft boards are appointed for a period of time, quite a long period IIRC. Alot of them are coming to the end of their appointed term, so the government is looking for replacements. Gotta keep the bases covered just in case, it doesn't mean that the draft is coming back though.

    Notice that the bills that were in the email say military OR civilian service. I'm looking into them to make sure, but there are actually alot of people that think this is a good idea, and some that think it would allow for people to exchange the 2 years of service for a full scholarship to any state school.
     
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    I think I'm a better person for my service, although I doubt y'all would agree

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    I don't there's a person alive who wouldn't benefit from serving in any branch of the forces. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif I gotta admit..you DO make me wonder about that though. j/k /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif You opened the door on that one man. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
     
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    I've got 13 years in the army right now...

    Spent allmost 4 years in germany...it is mandatory that young people spend 2 years in military service....i ythink it is a good life tool for youngsters...

    DW
     
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    OK, just on the surface. Both the Senate and House bills are sponsered by DEMOCRATS. This is not some secret ploy by Bush to reinstate the draft, it's more likely some Socialist vision of conscripting young people to work for free for 2 years on civil projects. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

    I think the main thing is that the fact that the bills specify military or civil service, which is not a draft. The fact that they are sponsored by Democrats tells you that it's not a Bush plan. The Senate bill has no cosponsors, the House bill has 14, all of whom appear to be Dems. That's all the ammo you need to knock people down a notch who say that this is Bush's deal.
     
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    I think I'm a better person for my service, although I doubt y'all would agree

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    I don't there's a person alive who wouldn't benefit from serving in any branch of the forces. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif I gotta admit..you DO make me wonder about that though. j/k /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif You opened the door on that one man. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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    No problem, I wonder about myself, often. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
     
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    OK, just on the surface. Both the Senate and House bills are sponsered by DEMOCRATS. This is not some secret ploy by Bush to reinstate the draft, it's more likely some Socialist vision of conscripting young people to work for free for 2 years on civil projects. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

    I think the main thing is that the fact that the bills specify military or civil service, which is not a draft. The fact that they are sponsored by Democrats tells you that it's not a Bush plan. The Senate bill has no cosponsors, the House bill has 14, all of whom appear to be Dems. That's all the ammo you need to knock people down a notch who say that this is Bush's deal.

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    I remember now, wasn't it that flake Rangel who started this mess by whining about how a disappropiate percentage of minorities were on the front lines in Iraq? Of course those that have served or do now know the real story.
     
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    wasn't it that flake Rangel who started this mess

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    I concur It was (D NY) Rangel who started the cluster ****.
     
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    Sounds like the military has cut its own foot off by giving all these people the boot and now they need to draft the general populace to backfill all the positions.

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    Sorta, but not quite. Congress mandates a certain number of Active and Reserve personnel for each branch of service, generally called "end-strength". The services then do whatever needs to be done to comply with the end-strength number they're given.
     
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    OK, just on the surface. Both the Senate and House bills are sponsered by DEMOCRATS. This is not some secret ploy by Bush to reinstate the draft, it's more likely some Socialist vision of conscripting young people to work for free for 2 years on civil projects. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

    I think the main thing is that the fact that the bills specify military or civil service, which is not a draft. The fact that they are sponsored by Democrats tells you that it's not a Bush plan. The Senate bill has no cosponsors, the House bill has 14, all of whom appear to be Dems. That's all the ammo you need to knock people down a notch who say that this is Bush's deal.

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    Thankyou thats what i was lookin for, some solid information about it to shut them up. Is that the only reason?
     

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