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Ebay is ridiculous

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by cybrfire, Jun 22, 2004.

  1. cybrfire

    cybrfire 1 ton status Vendor GMOTM Winner

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    You guys may or may not know that my wife sells high quality rifle targets on ebay. We have been doing this for some time with a decent amount of sucess. We sell a variety of different targets mostly for the varminter and a human silhouette for pistol shooters.

    Here is the ridiculous part!

    Ebay has decided to cancel some of our auctions. They say "Violates their firearms policies." This policy reads that no firearm part or acessory for an assault rifle as outlined in federal or California assault rifle descriptions will be sold on ebay to prevent and illegal transaction from taking place.

    Now, first we thought that they must have just read the title to the auction where we used the key word AR15 for search purposes. So, we write to ebay and say hey, you made a mistake please reinstate this auction. You have cancelled an auction for a peice of paper. That was 2 plus weeks ago.(there are hundreds of auctions on ebay right now for actual bolt on parts for AR15's)

    Finally today we get a response that basically states the same thing that are targets violate their blah blah policy, which of course they do not. So ridiculous. Now apparently Ebay is afraid of somebody commiting a drive by paper cutting or something. For what its worth to any large company executive that may read this,

    POLICY, is a guideline to be followed loosely. Exceptions should be made continously as you cannot write a policy that covers every situation.

    POLICY, is not and should not ever be a way of telling the customer to piss off we are right and you will never be, because we have the power and you are just the little guy.

    I really wish the concept of the customer is right and if the customer is wrong see rule #1, was remembered by more but it seems the large companies of today would just rather tell ya to piss up a rope.

    OK, rant off.
     
  2. TX Mudder

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    EBay and Paypal are anti-gun. It's common knowledge. They revised thier gun policy on June 8 and have prohibited the sale of many mnay legal gun parts.

    For this reason, many of the gun community are boycotting ebay and paypal. But they are such large wealthy companies they don't seem to mind.

    For my part, I used to buy a lot of stuff on ebay and I used to pay with paypal for lots of things. Now, I rarely use ebay except for when I can't find it elsewhere. And I don't use paypal for any reason. I'd rather send a MO and wait.

    It's bad enough the governemnt is trying to take away out second amendment rights under the guise of 'common sense gun laws' which will ultimately lead to gun confiscation like it has in England and Australia. We sure don't need leftish ebay/paypal deciding what legal products we can and can't buy.

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  3. Z3PR

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    [ QUOTE ]
    You guys may or may not know that my wife sells high quality rifle targets on ebay. We have been doing this for some time with a decent amount of sucess. We sell a variety of different targets mostly for the varminter and a human silhouette for pistol shooters.

    Here is the ridiculous part!

    Ebay has decided to cancel some of our auctions. They say "Violates their firearms policies." This policy reads that no firearm part or acessory for an assault rifle as outlined in federal or California assault rifle descriptions will be sold on ebay to prevent and illegal transaction from taking place.

    Now, first we thought that they must have just read the title to the auction where we used the key word AR15 for search purposes. So, we write to ebay and say hey, you made a mistake please reinstate this auction. You have cancelled an auction for a peice of paper. That was 2 plus weeks ago.(there are hundreds of auctions on ebay right now for actual bolt on parts for AR15's)

    Finally today we get a response that basically states the same thing that are targets violate their blah blah policy, which of course they do not. So ridiculous. Now apparently Ebay is afraid of somebody commiting a drive by paper cutting or something. For what its worth to any large company executive that may read this,

    POLICY, is a guideline to be followed loosely. Exceptions should be made continously as you cannot write a policy that covers every situation.

    POLICY, is not and should not ever be a way of telling the customer to piss off we are right and you will never be, because we have the power and you are just the little guy.

    I really wish the concept of the customer is right and if the customer is wrong see rule #1, was remembered by more but it seems the large companies of today would just rather tell ya to piss up a rope.

    OK, rant off.

    [/ QUOTE ] Couldn't you just reword it ??? Call them sportsman targets for target practice.
     
  4. HarryH3

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    See the thread about Walmart and lawsuits... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

    These days lawyers drag everyone that might have been even remotely related to any incident into court. Especially those with deep pockets. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif The NUMBER ONE goal of any public corporation is to create profits for their shareholders. By limiting their liability to lawsuits, they make it easier to meet that goal.
     
  5. lason

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    Yeah I agree on the whole ebay thing. You should start selling them on www.gunbroker.com. Just like ebay but all firearm and hunting related.
     
  6. behemoth

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    EBay and Paypal are anti-gun. It's common knowledge.

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    Don't forget AOL ... They put firearms owners in the same catagory as pornographers!! I've been trying to get my wife (and others) to drop them and switch to a more gun-friendly ISP to no avail. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
     
  7. cybrfire

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    Could relist them under a different name but that would limit my wife's customer look up hits. AR15 is a big hit keyword. Stupid is what the whole thing is.
     
  8. mudhog

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    i have a smiler thing with ebay right now also i make custom wheeling DVDs to sell. i go film a event and make my own DVDs. they are recorded on blank dvd-r DVDs. now keep in mind i film these and do all the editing and make them. i tell people they are on dvd-r's and to check to make sure there dvd player will be able to watch them so they don't order it and find out there dvd player wont play them. well they canceled my auctions because they say i cant sell dvd-r's unless they are blank /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
     
  9. HarryH3

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    Sadly, because of the sheer volume of business that they do, it's much easier for them to say no to you (and everyone else trying to sell movies recorded to DVD-R's) than it is for them to review every single thing, on every DVD-R being sold on their site, to make 100% certain that they contain ZERO copyrighted material, right down to the music playing in the background. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif The entertainment industry has become extremely protective of their copyrights, and will sue at the drop of a hat. And even though Ebay isn't the actual seller of the item, you can bet your very last dime that they would be included in any lawsuit as aiding and abeting in the sale. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
     
  10. ugly_blazer

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    ebay /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif, lawyers /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif, walmart /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif, gun control activists /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif, etc.....

    Whats with these groups of people trying to take away eeverything that I enjoy? I am not trying to take away their Starbucks and golf course.

    I know what you mean by ebay. I couldn't sell my ham radios in the ham radio class because there were modifications that could be done to the radio to make it illegally operate on the cb frequencies. Ebay considers it to be "potentially problematic". What isn't potentially problematic? How can I control what the end user decides to do with it? Zippo lighters sold on ebay are "potentially problematic" because the lighter could get into the hands of children who could set a house on fire. Ink pens and scissors are also "potentially problematic" because if you run with them you could fall on them and become seriously injured or possibly die. Under vehicle neon light kits sold on ebay. The kits are illegal in many states but ok for sale on ebay? I know my examples are sarcastic, but where could it end? I never received anything from ebay but a generic reply message when I was argueing with them.
     
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    This may be a stupid question but.....doesnt every single "DVD" movie start life as a DVD-R?? They are all movies burned on blank DVD-R's mass produced, right? (Im not very computer savvy so I could be way off base) So why is the DVD-R issue a problem? I understand recording copywrited material on a DVD-R has the potential to be a liability problem for eBay.


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  12. pauly383

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    This may be a stupid question but.....doesnt every single "DVD" movie start life as a DVD-R?? They are all movies burned on blank DVD-R's mass produced, right? (Im not very computer savvy so I could be way off base) So why is the DVD-R issue a problem? I understand recording copywrited material on a DVD-R has the potential to be a liability problem for eBay.


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    Jeff, I used to work for now defunct Performance Video Duplicators, while home DVD's start out as a DVR, mass produced music, and videos, are actually stamped out from a glass master . Its a complicated process to explain, not quite as simple as making pennies, but simmilar /forums/images/graemlins/k5.gif
     
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    I am not trying to take away their Starbucks and golf course.


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    Well other people are. Heck, I'd like to see half the golf courses around here shutdown and turned back into woodlands. There was some big golf thing going on at the end of Long Island this or last week. So annoying, my trains were actually packed because of Golf fans. As for starbucks, I loooooove that coffee, but we do NOT need one every 4 blocks in NYC.

    So anyway, what was the point again?
     
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    im preaty much done with ebay also,
    my parents sell stickers on ebay, lately they have listed and some many "woody flame, woody checkered flag, etc" it is woody the woodpecker with a flame/checkered flag/conferederate flag behind it. they were contaced by "Clay Smith Cams" to stop the listing because it was their image.
    this is very close to what me parents are selling
    thrush
    this is claysmith's image
    clay smith
    you can see they are not very close. clay smith has had ebay stop all these auctions and they also suspended their account. for some reason they have also suspended my account. ebay wont tell me why they suspended me for what my parents did.

    im extremely pissed, i will never sell another thing on ebay and probably never buy anything either. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
     
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    I wonder when they'll outlaw box cutters, they make airplanes crash you know
     

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