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FBI sting on Body Modifier, with false charges? extreme stuff

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by sled_dog, Aug 6, 2004.

  1. sled_dog

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    Alright to start before you read this read what I have to say. This article is about extreme body mods. For those who do not know, thats things like, splitting your tongue(ala lizardman), splitting your penis, willing amputations, becoming a willing eunich, and various other such modifications. The Mod in question is Female Circumcision. Now I don't expect ANY of you to understand why someone would want these things, I think most of them are INSANE(no one is going near my balls with a scalpel) but I know that my self image includes tattoos, I love them and want many more, and I can only think that these peoples self images involve piercings, and sometimes less body parts, thinking about it that way I try to respect it, note I used the word RESPECT.

    Alright now about FC(female circumcision), you will generally hear of it as FGM, Female Genital Mutilation. Surprising that the people against it choose to use the term mutilation rather than circumcision, huh? Now I hope you can read this and actually learn about FC, I had only known it as some thing backwards people in foreign countries did. I realize now I was only given the information by people AGAINST FC and thats why I knew it to be that. I never heard of the other side of the argument. Did you know the people that advocate it in those backwards places point out that it hightens a woman's sexual pleasure and they say this leads to less adultery since she is being satisfied at home. That makes a lot of sense in my book, a happy bedroom can really help a happy homelife(anyone knows that much). What I had always heard of was the clitoris being fully removed. Turns out this is a mistake and isn't suppossed to happen. But when you have everyone around you saying it shouldn't be done and refusing proper medical aid in doing the procedure, well would you trust your best friend to do the circumcision on your penis??? Now I do agree that FC is wrong to do on young girls(as it often is), but think about this, I am 19 and circumcised, I never agreed to be circumcised. My parents made that choice when I was born. If you say its wrong for parents to decide a girl should be circumcised how is it alright for a guy?

    With all that said go ahead and read the article. If you even want to bother after reading my stuff that probably made you sick or something.

    If you have read this far, here is the link. The article is about a private modifier who performs both male and female circumcisions(among other extreme mods) on people in a clean, as professional enviroment as you will get without a doctor doing it(as all extreme mods should be done by in my opinion). Anyway, he does them on willing over 18 people with great success and happiness. Now the FBI heard this and came along looking to take him down anyway they could. They created a fabricated story(entrapment?) of a family that was entirely pro-circumcision, with 2 minor daughters that everyone involved wanted the FC to occur. Well the people never existed and suppossedly the guy agreed to do the procedure(which is illegal seeing as they are minors). I can't locate the laws, but as far as I can tell in the US FC is illegal even with full parental consent. Which by the way the FBI as these kids parents gave full consent. Now no one ever met about this, the guy never started searching these people out to do the work. The FBI stopped there and arrested him. They then locked him and his girlfriend/assistant up for 6 months in solitary confinement. They then came to him with charges of “manufacturing of child pornography”. How did they come up with that? They went through his personal photo albums and found a picture of his young daughter without a top on.... Parents out there, who doesn't have one of these? I see little girls running around neighborhoods with their tops off all the time. They are little kids who cares? THe reason he chose to take that charge was this, they showed him his own bloody pictures of the work he had done previouslly and said simply(paraphrasing), "do you think a jury could ever be sympathetic to you?".

    Now all that said, if he did agree to do that job on minors, I agree he messed up and did something wrong. BUt at the sametime the FBI created it all, they also created the charges he is now facing and basically told him he couldn't get a fair trial. I'd like to hear some opinions from folks out there who aren't like me and a little less understanding of these things.
     
  2. behemoth

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    DO WHAT ???? /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif
     
  3. sled_dog

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    if you think of FC the same as MC its really not bad. Its basically removing extra flesh from the clitoral hood and reshaping whats there. Personally don't know how I'd feel about my girl doing something like that but hey thats their choice and if she really wanted it I'd be behind her.
     
  4. 84gmcjimmy

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    Ah that site... I ran into one time... not very pretty.
    I think it's wrong for wimmen to get FC, making more pleasure for themselves, then whenever they feel "horny" they just take a walk to there bedroom and laydown. There no more searching for the right guy to marry or anything.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    I'm all for chicks with tats and peircings but this would be a bit wierd but I'm not against it.
    as far as Todd being set up. I think the FBI has better things to do then to do that.
    It's your body you should be able to do with it as you choose. I could arresting him if he was causeing harm to the people(infections or sexual assualt)

    Anyone have pics of this FC? how much is actually removed/reshaped?
     
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    You have to get a membership on there site to see the explicit stuff like that I think.

    One thing I am against is amputation (Sp?) that doesn't make sense why someone would cut there arm or hand off for nothing. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
     
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    Ah that site... I ran into one time... not very pretty.
    I think it's wrong for wimmen to get FC, making more pleasure for themselves, then whenever they feel "horny" they just take a walk to there bedroom and laydown. There no more searching for the right guy to marry or anything.

    Just my opinion.

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    You think that women can't masturbate unless they're circumcised? They can...

    You can jerk off too, does that make you rather do it with yourself than a woman?

    I respect your opinion, but it's not well thought out.

    Willy, do a Google search on female circumcision, there's alot of info out there about it. There are different meanings of it, from just removing part of the hood to lopping the whole clitoris off. I don't know why any woman would want to lose her entire clit, but I guess when it's to that extreme it's not exactly their choice.

    I don't have a problem with it if a girl wants to have it done, but I feel the same way about it as I do about male circucision - it shouldn't be done to little kids, if someone wants it done later on when they can make the choice then that's their deal. IMHO, parents don't have a right to mutilate their kid's genitalia. Granted, some religions require it and that's kinda different, but most of the time it's done just because it's "normal". /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
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    think this way though, laws against FC right? I know there are religions it is a part of. Why is it alright for the Jewish faith to require MC but not alright for FC? I don't know I don't agree with either, my children will not have it done though when they are old enough I present the option to them as their own choice.

    Never seen pics of FC work myself. The guy who was arrested sort of gets sexual pleasure out of it it seems. But he doesn't go around basically raping chicks he does it if they come to him and ask for it. And yeah you not only have to join to see the images you have to join the basically elite club. I have been a member of BMEzine for a while but to get into the area to see pictures of FC you have to submit pictures of your own extreme mods. I have none and wish for none so I don't get to go there.

    Oh and Steve, my girl masturbates, but you know what, she thinks of me and only does it when she can't get the real thing.
     
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    ah guys, I know girls can masterbate, its not new to me.
    I was just saying, they have tons of stuff out there for girls who don't have sex with other men, or are just turned on more by themselves. I don't see why they need to go through that.
    Sorry if my sentence wasn't well thought out, I don't know what I was "suposed" to say. Sorry.
     
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    sorry I've never met a girl that really liked masturbating let alone liked it better but thats my experience. All I really care about is what is mine and what is mine likes what I've got best /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    I'll just stop replying. Im sounding like a fu0king itdiot.
     
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    I kind of get what you are saying man, not my thoughts but they are yours so thats cool, you are a cool guy I have no problem respecting your thoughts /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    I kind of mis-print it. What I am trying to say is there are dildo's and [darn] for girls who want more fun when they can't see there husband/boyfriend, why get FC and have to deal with the pain.

    But I guess in the end a girl getting FC would be good for the girl.

    I don't quite understand so my thoughts are dumb.
     
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    And yeah you not only have to join to see the images you have to join the basically elite club. I have been a member of BMEzine for a while but to get into the area to see pictures of FC you have to submit pictures of your own extreme mods. I have none and wish for none so I don't get to go there.

    Oh and Steve, my girl masturbates, but you know what, she thinks of me and only does it when she can't get the real thing.

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    I was a member of BMEzine for about a year, there are some truly astounding things in the members only area that have to be seen to be beleived. Some of them are kinda cool in a wierd way, others are disgusting and I don't know why anyone would do that stuff to themselves.

    Steve, I didn't mean to imply that you're dumb, I'm sorry if you got that impression.
     
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    I agree he messed up and did something wrong. BUt at the sametime the FBI created it all

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    And your verified unbiased source of this information is?
     
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    there is no such thing. Very true and not like I'm part of this, but I do know the way things are for modified people. The way the public and and people with power act towards modded people and I know its pretty much not good. Things like banning simple piercings in schools or talking out saying people with tattoos and piercings are not right. Makes it easy for me to believe. Is it? don't know, is the info unbiased? eh. This subject is over the edge to most folks I think and doubt the media or anyone involved will not have a biased view for or against whats going on.
     
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    True, people do judge a book by its cover. But, having been the recipient of certain attitudes when I'm riding my Harley, it doesn't surprise me. However, I have the choice of how I dress and what I do already knowing the effect it causes. I suspect modded folks already know beforehand the response they generate, and even like it to a degree. It's that rebellious streak in all of us that prompts the fashion and lifestyle choices sometimes. I just don't buy that the FBI decided to make a huge case out of such a small thing. Usually the information derived from the person arrested is suspect at best too.
     
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    this is very true but it was stated in the article the writer had not spoken to the arrestee(sp?). I know what you mean, I am working on ideas for a sleeve, shock value will be a factor. Main reason? certainly not. A reason, yep.
     
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    And yeah you not only have to join to see the images you have to join the basically elite club. I have been a member of BMEzine for a while but to get into the area to see pictures of FC you have to submit pictures of your own extreme mods. I have none and wish for none so I don't get to go there.

    Oh and Steve, my girl masturbates, but you know what, she thinks of me and only does it when she can't get the real thing.

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    I was a member of BMEzine for about a year, there are some truly astounding things in the members only area that have to be seen to be beleived. Some of them are kinda cool in a wierd way, others are disgusting and I don't know why anyone would do that stuff to themselves.

    Steve, I didn't mean to imply that you're dumb, I'm sorry if you got that impression.

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    Shaggy, I apoligize if I was mean to you, but yes I sort of got that impression. We're all good now /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

    Woah! what kind of stuff (the cool stuff) did you see? I think it would be kind of neat to have a lizard tongue, but then I wouldn't like it when I got older. Some of those people are brave what they are doing /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif
     
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    THere's dudes in there that full on cut off their winkies, or turn them inside out, chicks that um... let's see here... let's just say that if you were to look at them from a particular angle, there would be no features other than a few holes...
     

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