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Fighting ticket tomrorow-wish me luck

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Pookster, May 27, 2004.

  1. Pookster

    Pookster 1/2 ton status

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    Not to offend any of the good cops out there but...

    Im off to "Traffic court" tomrorow (which isnt even a real court). I was given a "62 in a 30" ticket when rushing to bring my dad to the hospital. I Agree, I was speedily along, but I was certainly not doing anything above 50.

    Whats more interesting is that he "estimated" my speed to be "60" but gave me a ticket for 62. Lovely.

    Somehow I fail to believe that his human eye is now a highly calibrated and tested piece of traffic enforcement equipment that can tell the difference between 60 and 62 miles per hour. I want to see some calibration records.

    If that were the case they would have never made radar and laser guns. Our highly specialized NYC task force pumped 41 shots into a person and only like 20 hit, and 1 was center mass? How many feet was it? 10? 5 guys?
     
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    In CA I think the law is that you can only drive 15mph over the posted speed limit in an emergency, even for emergency vehicles. Might want to check into that before you go. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
    And if you ever get pulled over for speeding and told it was from a radar gun, you have the right to ask to see the calibration sticker on the radar unit.
     
  3. Pookster

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    Right, but this ticket mentions no such item about a radar. it was purely estimated.
     
  4. Jeremy_C

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    in TN you can pace the car for 1/2 mile and cite them to court. I hate to see you getting a ticket for rushing your dad to the hospital. It would have had to be extremely dangrous circumstances for me to even think about righting you a ticket. Did he even offer to get ems to yourlocation?
     
  5. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    In CA I think the law is that you can only drive 15mph over the posted speed limit in an emergency, even for emergency vehicles.

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    Umm no, that's not the law.

    When I was getting trained on our radar units, the FTO beat into me to make a visual confirmation of the speed. I guess the official school (we don't have to be certified) runs a test of the students. 10 cars, visually estimate within 10 mph. When I was riding with him, he was testing me and I was probably 99% within the 10 mph window, and probably 60% within 5 mph. But I wouldn't cite off of that.
     
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    ugh,,, curbside lawyers...
    an e plate on an emergency vehicle exempts an emergency vehcle from the vehicle code as long as it is "operated with the due care and safety for others" and liability is limited when operating code three , which is displaying a red light to the front and using a siren "when necessary" There isnt a specific speed otherwise we could never pursue 15 mph over the posted limit...
    62/30 while rolling your dad to the hospital is a good excuse but doesnt exempt you from anything...
    plead no contest, give the explanation prepared to back it up, ask for traffic school even though youre fighting the ticket....
    Based exactly on what you told us I probably wouldnt have written you a ticket... but what I think wont help you
    call paramedics next time
    you hit somebody rolling civilian code three and a public servant hitting someone is WAY dofferent,,, the public one can pay forvever... you cant
    good luck... thats what you will need\

    about speed estimation... bubba ray is correct... we get trained and certified to judge speed by eye... backed up with radar... and we have in service and recert training to make sure skills stay sharp.... you absolutely can question an officers expertise but I think you will lose this train of questioning and piss off the judge fairly quickly playing law and order
    you might be able to ask for a jury trial... not sure about an infraction in NY... you might have a better chance there....
     
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    Good luck. Last ticket I fought in NYC I thought was cut and dry wrong, the officer even started to agree after I talked to her, but said the ticket was written, I should take it to court.
    The judge ignored and fined me.


    You might have better luck. Mine was during Bloomberg's ticket-writing-budget-catchup blitz.
     
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    mabye its just me, if someone i love needs to be at the hospital, i wont give a rats ass how fast im going, but im gonna get there in time, you can try to pull me over, not stopping....you can write me a ticket once you get there if it makes your panties wet, people first, fines second.

    ive had to do this a couple of times....hit the 4 ways and head for the hospital most of the time the cops know where your going, and will follow you there and then leave, never had them follow me, but ive heard.

    i dont see a cop writing you a ticket unless you cause some serious incident on the way anyway
     
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    how do your radar guns work when you arent stopped?
    Are they tied into your spedometer?

    seems to me if you try to bounce radar off something while your moving you will only get the relative speed.
     
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    no offense but most of your post is urban legend stuff people tell each other. Oh a cop won't pull you over for that. If you blast through a 35 doing 60mph I don't care if your 4 ways are on the cops lights are going on.
     
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    how do your radar guns work when you arent stopped?
    Are they tied into your spedometer?

    seems to me if you try to bounce radar off something while your moving you will only get the relative speed.

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    I know around here our cops have a seperate radar system just for this setup. I've been nailed by it twice. I forget what it is called, I will look for a ticket, but its for judging speed of a vehicle in front of you, I'm sure it probably reads the speedo or has its own speedo unit to compare to.
     
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    no offense but most of your post is urban legend stuff people tell each other. Oh a cop won't pull you over for that. If you blast through a 35 doing 60mph I don't care if your 4 ways are on the cops lights are going on.

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    well like i said, pulling over wont be on my list of things to do atm
     
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    Let us know how you do. Conviction rates in traffic court run about 80% or more. Good luck.
     
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    We have a very special system for when we are on the move; it's called the sta/mov button on the RADAR /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

    It works both stopped and moving (I work very little stationary) and we can also run it on same lane, which means I can be behind you, traveling in the same direction and get your speed. And once you pass me, you think your safe and can speed it up, I can bang your back door /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
     
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    There isnt a specific speed otherwise we could never pursue 15 mph over the posted limit...

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    I didn't mean for police, obviously they need to go as fast as who they are pursueing. I meant ambulances and fire trucks, they can only go 15 mph over the speed limit, correct? I thought I heard that somewhere before. Is that true or not? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif


    But back to the original post. What was wrong with you dad? If it was a life-threatening condition I would think you would have had a gotten (I know, but that should be a word /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) a police escort when he saw the reason for your speed. Obviously it wasn't what the police would consider a serious injury since he had 15 mins or so to write you the ticket. If your dad died while the policeman was writing you a ticket there would be a huge lawsuit on the city's hands.
     
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    yea we all know you wouldnt pull over...your special too... NOT....
    like I said whatever youre doing is only an excuse and not a legal justification
    to be legally justified to do something the law or code would have to have an exception... and there is none for what was described....it falls into the "descretion" of the officer.
    NOW would any of us drive hard to medical treatment if someone we loved had a LIFE THREATENING emergency... sure...
    would we pull over if a policeman lit us up.... I hope so!!! as he/she has lots of options and training you dont...
    would I write the duckett ... probably not... but if you MADE me chase you to the hospital and the "patient" wasnt life threatening needing emergency surgery immediately...
    well then you would be in the back seat for reckless, fail to yield etc etc etc... pretty much the ultimate HUA driving...
    bottom line....
    do what you think you can justify and be safe and live with... outside that dont whine if you get the duckett... theres more people on the road than just you
    cam
     
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    CA fuzz

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    <-----CA police academy graduate.........
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    We have a very special system for when we are on the move; it's called the sta/mov button on the RADAR /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

    It works both stopped and moving (I work very little stationary) and we can also run it on same lane, which means I can be behind you, traveling in the same direction and get your speed. And once you pass me, you think your safe and can speed it up, I can bang your back door /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

    [/ QUOTE ] I'm well aware of it, like I said, I've been nailed 2 times by this same scenario. Well not that I passed the cop then thought I was safe, that would be dumb. One time I didn't know the cop was back there(damn K5 with only 1 mirror). And the other time was an unmarked vehicle at midnight. That one was almost bull, he was driving like an @$$hole. I made a lane change, with blinker and all, when I did it the cop laid on his horn at me even though he was 100 yards back and in the lane I turned out of. He started following me, well I was flying down a nice open stretch of road, just when I reached the end of his juristiction he flipped on the pretty lights. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
     
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    My dad called me up all of a sudden. He had abdominal pains, and was pissing blood. I had never heard my dad in so much pain before. He doesnt speak too much english, and in the state he was in, he wasnt in much ability to communicate with anyone.

    so I was rushing over to take him to the hospital. The cop had not a care in the world. Freakin guy even in court could care less. Met the cop in person today. He was still an ass.

    I feel like making a formal complaint. Since I cant find anything to pick on him for at the moment, I'll pick on him for his shaved head, which I believe is not allowable in NYPD.

    The judge, another ass wipe, gave me a 160 dollar ticket and 8 points, even though I have never had a conviction or other ticket. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif

    Its like these people dont have families, and dont know what it is like to truly care for another person.

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    CA fuzz /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
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    There isnt a specific speed otherwise we could never pursue 15 mph over the posted limit...

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    I didn't mean for police, obviously they need to go as fast as who they are pursueing. I meant ambulances and fire trucks, they can only go 15 mph over the speed limit, correct? I thought I heard that somewhere before. Is that true or not? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif


    But back to the original post. What was wrong with you dad? If it was a life-threatening condition I would think you would have had a gotten (I know, but that should be a word /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) a police escort when he saw the reason for your speed. Obviously it wasn't what the police would consider a serious injury since he had 15 mins or so to write you the ticket. If your dad died while the policeman was writing you a ticket there would be a huge lawsuit on the city's hands.

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