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Firebird, or T/A links?

Discussion in 'Other Rides' started by tRustyK5, Apr 4, 2001.

  1. tRustyK5

    tRustyK5 Big meanie Staff Member Super Moderator GMOTM Winner Author

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    I might be picking up a couple of Firebirds this weekend. one is a '79 Firebird the other is a '80 Turbo T/A. I don't know my way around a Firebird the way I know a K5 so does anyone have any tips? Links? Trouble spots....you get the idea.

    Oh yeah, $200 for both cars and they are both 'runner's'[​IMG]

    All I gotta do is find me some room...[​IMG]

    Rene

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  2. mudhog

    mudhog THEGAME Staff Member Super Moderator

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    are you going to make rti ramps out of them? j/k
    wish i could find deals like that

    77blazer see it at<A target="_blank" HREF=http://community.webshots.com/user/ssmith6333>http://community.webshots.com/user/ssmith6333</A>[​IMG]
     
  3. Steve_Chin

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    I am the original owner of my '79 T/A. Pulled the stock engine withit having been in the garage less than a week and put a mildly-built PMD 455 in it. Also did a lot of suspension work to it (12-bolt, road racing suspension, metal suspension bushings, etc.). Built a number of other Gen2 Firebirds. I know a little about them.

    The best Pontiac link I know of is http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/1963

    As far as trouble spots, the most obvious places for rust are under the sides of the rear window, the lower corners of the doors, worn out hinge bushings and pins. There was a wiring recall on A/C models for the '78 and '79 model years (recalled in 5/79). Turbo models have a problem if they are not warmed up and cooled off properly, the turbo bearings can go bad fast. Oh, and if you put big anti-sway bars on them, the vertical links for the rear bar tend to get over-stressed and fall apart (I keep a small stock of reinforced ones handy in case I ever break one). Some people harp on the 10-bolt rear, but it is not any less reliable than the 12-bolt unless you're producing gobs of torque (SD-455 cars came with 10-bolts out of the factory). I'm almost sorry I converted to a 12-bolt because I can put a Torsen differential in a 10-bolt and it'd make the car quicker around a road course.
     
  4. tRustyK5

    tRustyK5 Big meanie Staff Member Super Moderator GMOTM Winner Author

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    Cool site Steve, thanks for the info.[​IMG]

    Rene

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  5. CaptCrunch

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    http://www.iwaynet.net/~gl&lisk/transam.html
    http://www.pontiacs.org
    http://www.classicalpontiac.com
    http://www.jbp-pontiac.com
    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.krepower.com>http://www.krepower.com</A>

    I got a million of 'em... My Poncho addiction is far worse most of the K5'ers.... and I know that's one heck of a feat LOL
    Enjoy [​IMG]

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  6. CaptCrunch

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    Nice steve... You road race? We are modifying a friends 86 Vette to start road racing... can't really imagine wanting to run a big block on a road course... I suppose the torque is awsome !

    Might add the Turdo motors are junk pretty much. Many reguard them as one of the worst motors of all-time.

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  7. ClydeK5

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    Check out <A target="_blank" HREF=http://camaroz28.com>http://camaroz28.com</A>

    You can find just about anything you want about the F-body on the UBB

    82 K5 Blazer - 350 - th350 - 4" susp. lift 35" BFG Mud. Its not meant to be pretty
     
  8. Steve_Chin

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    Done a little road racing and auto-X in my time., Capt. Crunch. I had a couple of IT cars and A GT-3 car and worked part-time with a Trans-Am team (basically volunteer work for love of the sport). Had a job offer working engines with an IMSA GT team who later went on to Indy cars, but all the travel turned me off.

    Pontiacs have always been a big passion for me, the Firebird in particular.

    What kind of road racing will you be aiming at with the Y-body? They're pretty good in the SP classes in SCCA auto-X. Kind of an expensive starting position for a car if you're going to be ripping it completely apart to make a GT-1 or Trans-Am type car out of it.

    Big block? Ain't no such thing in Pontiac parlance. All Pontiac engines from the 326 up to the 455 have the same external dimensions. The 301 has the same bore spacing and only a shorter deck. Yes, my 462 makes a bundle of torque (some of the engine simulation programs put it at over 550 lbs.*ft.). I wanted to do a low-compression 462 for my Blazer, but I couldn't find a B-O-P bellhousing for my NV4500, so I'm stuck with the small-block (I'm going to stroke it later, so I guess that's no big loss).

    The 301 gets a bum rap. No, it ain't a really powerful engine, but in the right hands, it isn't all that bad. Stock for stock, the 301 4-barrel made more power than the 305 4-barrel Chevy in the same model year. In 1978, Herb Adams campaigned a car in SCCA Trans-Am Category II with an engine that was based off of the 301 block. 590 BHP and 485 lbs.*ft. torque ain't too shabby, given the fact that he used 1970 Pontiac iron heads on it (no special race castings). This car competed quite well against the Kremer Porsches and the Greenwood Corvettes. If it had more development, it would have won a race in 1979 (came in second at Laguna Seca in '78).
     
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    Isn't the 455 heavier? I don't know jack about poncho engines... most of what I have had are GM plants anyways... when was the last year there was an actual Pontiac V8? I've just had a couple of 80's trans ams that I moded up. Someday will get the funds for the older stuff... would love to get a 70 GTO... kinda my dream car there. I love Pontiacs... probably all that Knight rider when I was a kid LOL. Figure eventually I'll try a poncho build up for a nice street cruiser.
    I'm not sure what class he is gonna run with it... I do more drag racing, but I've been helping him build it up some... probably just a stock class. He spent 10 grand on the car and it is a mint 60k 86 model... so I was kinda like WTF as well. But he has loved vettes since we've been kids, I just hope he does crash it/blow it up like I did w/ my serious drag car.

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    The 455 is a few pounds heavier than a 400 (about 15 pounds). The 400 is only a few pounds heavier than a 350 or 326 (about 10 pounds). The alunimum heads and intake more than offset that weight difference...

    The last production Pontiac V8 rolled off the production line for the '8 model year. It was a 301. The last traditional Pontiac V8 was built in '78 for the '79 model year run and was installed in a Trans Am.
     
  11. tRustyK5

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    So if the last traditional Pontiac V-8 was installed in the 79 Trans Am, what would the '80 Turbo T/A that I'm going to look at have in it?

    Rene

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    So, now you are getting out of the K5 scene and jumping over to Fi"R"ebi"R"ds and "t"/A's?!?!?! [​IMG]
     
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    The Turbo motor is based off of the short-deck Pontiac 301 block. It is not really a small block because it has the same bore spacing as the traditional Pontiac V8 and can use the same cylinder heads (with SERIOUS modifications to a traditional Pontiac intake). It's still a Pontiac designed engine, but it's a light-weight late-'70s design and it suffered from not enough development.

    Here are a couple of more links:

    http://www.fbody.com
    <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.angelfire.com/on/geebjen/pontiac.html>http://www.angelfire.com/on/geebjen/pontiac.html</A>

    The last one is a series of links to other Pontiac-related pages...
     
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    tRustyK5 Big meanie Staff Member Super Moderator GMOTM Winner Author

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    Thanks Steve, as you can see Firebirds are not my area of expertise.

    Westy...2 running Firebirds for $200, pretty hard to pass up. Also pretty hard to lose money on.

    Rene

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    Yeah, cant beat that!!! Want to sell me one for $50.00? [​IMG]
     
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    Sure, come on up and get it...[​IMG]

    Rene

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    Ok! I will be there in five minutes!!! [​IMG]
     
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    yeah... I decided to do some reading last night... funny how stuff changes... sho know maybe someday no one we remeber the 350 V8

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    tRustyK5 Big meanie Staff Member Super Moderator GMOTM Winner Author

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    Which 350? Pontiac, Buick, Olds or Chev? I've had 3 out of 4, and I really like the Chev (duh! [​IMG]) but the torquiest by far was the Poncho...

    If one of these Firebirds looks worth it I might look for a Pontiac 350 to drop in.

    Would these cars have the TH 350? or the 200?

    Rene

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    any of them... none are still used in a production vehicle any more. I go Chevy usually because you have 5 times the options and it's half the price. They'll probably have a 350.... don't think the 200's came until 82 or 83.

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