I was just at Chuck's chevrolet site checking out his message board. After bypassing all the snowplowing and lawn and garden stuff I found it. Let me tell you, this site is much easier to navigate and so much better laid out. Thanks again. I posted a responce to an individual trying to sell some 3/4 ton 4x4 driveline parts. Told him to try this board. We shall see. Mud is just thick water, or is it that water is just thin mud?