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full circle clips on ujoints

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by michaelm, Sep 24, 2001.

  1. michaelm

    michaelm 1/2 ton status

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    i am changing wheel joints.
    anyone have an opinion whether filing the yokes to accept full circle snap rings is a good or poor idea.
     
  2. tRustyK5

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    I saw that done in a magazine article a while back...they claimed it helped prevent failure. It seems to be a subjective modification though. The theory behind it sounded good in the article if that helps...[​IMG]

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  3. Hossbaby50

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    I was told by a reputable drive shaft shop in AZ that full circle snap rings are not necessary. I was going to use them in my truck but he told me it was a waste of time.
     
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    Well Moser and Warn have them on there Chrome-moly shafts so they must be there for a reason. I run the Warn shafts and aslo "fixed" my spare shafts to except the full external snap rings as well. Size= 1 3/16" external snap rings

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  5. RedDwarf

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    Bad idea. Use a grinder instead, file will take forever. LOL

    Pat Gremillion ran one joint with one w/o snap ring for a while in his EB Dana 44. I think he broke the one side 2 or 3 times, but the side with the snap ring survived.
    He's running 60 front now though.

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    I run warn axels with the normal clips the ends pop out of the caps befor the clips come off
     
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    Well, I modified mine with a Dremel tool and put in the full snap rings AFTER pushing out a c clip retainer and blowing a ujoint which in turn took out the axle ears of both stub and inner shaft.

    Its not a waste, it works.

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    I did it. I thought it would work great. I went out wheelin, and I Broke the outer stub that I just modified. I think I weakens the part when you have to take off the metal to put the full circle ring in. I warn long shaft I have survived that ujoint explosion without a scratch.

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    My axles are "fixed" this way as well. Used a 4" grinder to remove the extra casting. Bigdaddyof2 did his as well.

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    I lost 2 clips this weekend when I was out wheelin but the cups didnt come out.I noticed when inspecting my truck the day after I went.I think the full circle snaprings are a great idea.

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    What and where are you grinding to install full circle clips?
    And what kind of clips? Like the ones on the end of the caps on a driveshaft U-joint?

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    No, like the ones on the ends of your stub shafts. Full circle external snap rings.

    You have to grind around the back of the joint on the yoke. You grind it flush with the surface where the c-clips

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    Warn and Moser run them just to be cool, at least when the axles are new. When everything is new it all fits together nice and you don't have problems, as they get stretched, you need the snaprings. This applies more to the factory shafts since the weaker material stretches more and loosens it's grip on the cap. BUT, I've got a buddy that ran the warns in a jeep with 37's and eventually the caps dropped in by hand.
    We have one customer that full circled a stock shaft and it go so bad that he was routinely breaking cups from having too much play in the yoke, but never lost a joint because he had the full rings.

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    Robbie, the snap rings work with the regular u-joints.

    Stephen, what would be the point of not running the snap rings? In my experience, it gets really hard to remove the c-clips as they get older.

    Also, the customer you mention, d you mean to say that he never broke another joint after installing the snap rings?

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    When I snapped the axle u-joint @ the Spring K5 Thing, it was evident that the c-clip had fallen out which allowed the cup to "walk" out of the axle flange. The damage occured when the cross shaft ripped through the side of the cup. I am confident that installing the snap rings (even on stock axle shafts) is not a waste of time.

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