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Gm solid axle talk

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by 1979jimmy350, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. 1979jimmy350

    1979jimmy350 1/2 ton status

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    so i was having a talk with Terry Wiscoski about GM trucks, so of course i asked him about solid axles, his respones to the question about why do gm trucks not have SFA's like the other manfactures. His response was that he did not want to ruin his truck. He said that IFS is more durable and cheaper than a SFA
     
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    you should have laughed in his face and challenged him to bring his IFS out to a real 4x4 event. After he breaks on the first real obstacle that you roll over with ease, everything will become "clear" for the guy.

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    I have been challenged about it as well by family. All I say is In my opinion, the more parts you have moving, working, binding, the more parts you have to worry about breaking. Solid axles are simple in design and stout by nature. IMO
     
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    Jek! Did you, of all people, miss the key word?

    :haha:
     
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    i think the "cheaper and more durable" is a slimey-avoid-the-real-question answer also. No doubt its cheaper.... but I'm not really interested in saving GM money. Ford and Dodge have solid axles in trucks that cost similar amounts... so the two types of axles are either similar in cost, or GM is ripping everyone off and pocketing that extra money. There is no question in anyones mind that the solid axle is more durable. IFS may be good on trucks that drive to get groceries every day... but for any truck that actually works or goes offroad the solid wins hands down.

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    IMHO, Dodge and Ford have SFA's on their trucks because they're just smart enough to listen to their customer-base on that particular concern.

    Who sells more trucks?
     
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    First of all, who is Terry Wiscoski? And why should we care what his opinion is? I've never heard of a TW but if he's some big-shot guy, then I'm missing out on something.
     
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    Damn it, don't you know??!!

    He's Z3PR's older brother :mad: !


























    :haha: :haha:
     
  9. 1979jimmy350

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    He is the Lead engineer for all of GM's truck line, i actually got to go in the mock up shop yesterday and see some of the new stuff there doing to new chevy trucks
     
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    Wow, really :eek1: :D ?!!

    I have to admit that's pretty cool!

    I would love to pick his brain aboot why they don't have a SFA on their trucks.
    And I would ask both from a truck owners point of view as well as a consumer advocate (give the people what they want/demand).
     
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    Impressive, did you ask when they were going to build the Retro K5?:D
     
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    Did they have anything compairable to the Custom SVT F150 Ford is coming out with next year with 450 HP and 500 Ftlbs fo torque?...... Doubt it.
    Ford is bringing it out to compete with the new Camaro.:D
     
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    Dang, that issss coool. However, I work for a major tractor corporation as an engineer and the automotive industry is just the same.. The big decisions for IFS over SA comes from higher up than the lead engineer. Its sales. GM's "thing" is they sell trucks to the portion of the market that wants a more refined truck (thats why our interiors are nicer) and one that rides better on the road. Its all about market share. With the trucks GM builds they can take a huge market share with these customers. Face the facts boys... we are few and far between and the average new truck buyer these days is different.
     
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    I have a hard time believing the same person who wants a new camaro is going to consider buying a sport truck like a SVT F150... Thats two entirely different markets..
     
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    So why do they use a SFA (dana 80 I think) in the 4500 series 4x4s? I guess those trucks would be stronger with IFS too:haha:




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    if this is the lead guy and he actually thinks IFS is superior in a working / 4x4 truck than now I really don't want to buy a new truck from GM. If he screws up something that simple, gawd knows what else is wrong with the truck!

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    I think he knows what hes talking about, how many people actually buy dodges or fords because they are sfa? the truth is that 99% of people dont off road their trucks and the ifs is a much smoother ride with all of that unsprung weight minimised, i see 10x more trucks with 20's on them then lifted trucks, and even the lifted trucks dont ever see dirt. My tow rig is a duramax and it rides like a caddilac on the road...
     
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    You ask a good question.

    Are there more I.F.S.'s than S.F.A.'s?

    I would say S.F.A.'s far ootnumber I.F.S.'s.
     
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    It is interesting. The military's new 8 ton is IFS all the way around.

    John
     
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    I thought they're 7 ton :dunno: ?

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