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going "bedless" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by Rix_Gotta_Blazer, Mar 12, 2003.

  1. Rix_Gotta_Blazer

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    going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    i have taken off the stepside bed on my truck. I would like it to be street legal. from what ive seen within my short time here on Earth, i think i can get away with just mud flaps and relocating my brake lights. what do you all think? also, should i throw some ply wood over teh frame? or what other suggestions do you fellas have? any input is appreciated.
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    gotta put something to arch over tires and put some two-filament lights in rear, stop-turn and parking, ive run a 69 and 77 ford pickups bedless before, i just ran a couple 1x4 boards across frame rails one in front of tires and other behind and ran some flexible wide conveyor belt over the tops of the tires, another dude a block north of here has a jacked up 79 4x4 f150 with no bed and he hasnt been stopped for it ever, i dont think ive seen a bedless chevy on the road ever, ive had quite a few on this property in the past though, hmm..


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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    reverse light
    brake light
    make sure your turn signal's work in the rear

    mud flaps
    flat bead

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    legal
     
  4. TorkDSR

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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    in pa you dont need a reverse light...or so my inspection station told me. my dad just put LED's in the rear of his YJ and he asked about backup lights the guy said he didnt need em, but if he had them they had to work
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    Legaly you don't have to have anything over the top of the tires. What you have to have is flaps covering the rear of the tires and lights, brake, turn, tail, and side marker. Look at how they deliver cab/ chassis trucks they're legal that way. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    You do have to have the tires covered, even on the top. Here is the CVC section:

    27600. No person shall operate any motor vehicle having three or more wheels, any trailer, or semitrailer unless equipped with fenders, covers, or devices, including flaps or splash aprons, or unless the body of the vehicle or attachments thereto afford adequate protection to effectively minimize the spray or splash of water or
    mud to the rear of the vehicle and all such equipment or such body or attachments thereto shall be at least as wide as the tire tread. This section does not apply to those vehicles exempt from registration, trailers and semitrailers having an unladen weight of under 1,500 pounds, or any vehicles manufactured and first registered
    prior to January 1, 1971, having an unladen weight of under 1,500 pounds.

    What this section essentially requires is that you have your tires covered to approximately 3/4's of the way forward from the rear. Just having mud flaps, and having the tires exposed from the top, would result in mud and water flying to the rear while moving. A good example of how far forward fenders must go is on the front of a Chrysler Prowler. Anything farther back will end up in a citation. Trust me.
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    I still need to add mud flaps.Im going to make some that are pinned,so there easy to remove for rocks.Oh yeah and a license plate light.

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  8. 70~K5

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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

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    You do have to have the tires covered, even on the top. Here is the CVC section:

    27600. No person shall operate any motor vehicle having three or more wheels, any trailer, or semitrailer unless equipped with fenders, covers, or devices, including flaps or splash aprons, or unless the body of the vehicle or attachments thereto afford adequate protection to effectively minimize the spray or splash of water or
    mud to the rear of the vehicle and all such equipment or such body or attachments thereto shall be at least as wide as the tire tread. This section does not apply to those vehicles exempt from registration, trailers and semitrailers having an unladen weight of under 1,500 pounds, or any vehicles manufactured and first registered
    prior to January 1, 1971, having an unladen weight of under 1,500 pounds.

    What this section essentially requires is that you have your tires covered to approximately 3/4's of the way forward from the rear. Just having mud flaps, and having the tires exposed from the top, would result in mud and water flying to the rear while moving. A good example of how far forward fenders must go is on the front of a Chrysler Prowler. Anything farther back will end up in a citation. Trust me.


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    To the rear is the point there. And flaps as wide and tall as the tires is enough. Other wise I'd have had tickets every time I crossed the scales in a semi truck tractor without a trailer sitting on the 5th wheel.
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    thanks for the input guys. i've got a few ideas now. thanks.
    p.s. sweet ride crwln73
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    Nice bed man. it looks good with the plate n stuf
    and thank about the bed plans.]

    Andrew
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    just readen through, I do not have any information to help you in any way just that I am usually a purist with vehicles n stuff, however your truck got me to stop for a moment and admire it......nuf said---good on ya.
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    So, at 50 mph down the wet muddy road you wouldn't throw up mud or water to the rear with only mud flaps on the back and the tires completely exposed to the top? I think so, it's simple physics. If you have the tops uncovered, then you will throw mud up to the rear when driving at anything over a coupla miles per hour. I heard a CHP describe it to me this way, "if I can stand over your tire, look down, and see tread, you are in violation. I also have some experience with this. You can get a citation for it. Big rigs tend to get away with it around town but technically you are in violation. If the CHP chooses not to cite for it, it doesn't mean it is legal. Most city cops won't bother a big rig. But do you think they will mess with a highly modified off roader? More likely I would say.
     
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    So, at 50 mph down the wet muddy road you wouldn't throw up mud or water to the rear with only mud flaps on the back and the tires completely exposed to the top? I think so, it's simple physics. If you have the tops uncovered, then you will throw mud up to the rear when driving at anything over a coupla miles per hour. I heard a CHP describe it to me this way, "if I can stand over your tire, look down, and see tread, you are in violation. I also have some experience with this. You can get a citation for it. Big rigs tend to get away with it around town but technically you are in violation. If the CHP chooses not to cite for it, it doesn't mean it is legal. Most city cops won't bother a big rig. But do you think they will mess with a highly modified off roader? More likely I would say.

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    I don't know what to tell you about what that Chippie said. I know In the past I've dropped a set of trailers in Riverside and bobtailed (a tractor with no trailer hooked up to it) back to San Jose with just the flaps in back of the tires, and not been stoped for it. And they deliver the new cab/ chassis rigs that way every day. I've driven all over this state at times like this in pouring rain, on muddy roads, and such. The only trucks I driven that they required full fender coverage has been dirt haulers, bottom dumps, dump trucks and semi end dumps. But if theeey want to stop you they can always find a reason. I was stopped last Nov. by a CHP officer who said my signs on the side of my truck were to small. Well after talking to IA and then to his sgt who investagated it my complaint I recieved and appoligy from them and the whole thing was withdrawn. My signs met the standard set by the law and it was a pure BS stop as I knew he was back there and didn't break any laws in his sight.
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

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    So, at 50 mph down the wet muddy road you wouldn't throw up mud or water to the rear with only mud flaps on the back and the tires completely exposed to the top? I think so, it's simple physics. If you have the tops uncovered, then you will throw mud up to the rear when driving at anything over a coupla miles per hour. I heard a CHP describe it to me this way, "if I can stand over your tire, look down, and see tread, you are in violation. I also have some experience with this. You can get a citation for it. Big rigs tend to get away with it around town but technically you are in violation. If the CHP chooses not to cite for it, it doesn't mean it is legal. Most city cops won't bother a big rig. But do you think they will mess with a highly modified off roader? More likely I would say.

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    I don't know what to tell you about what that Chippie said. I know In the past I've dropped a set of trailers in Riverside and bobtailed (a tractor with no trailer hooked up to it) back to San Jose with just the flaps in back of the tires, and not been stoped for it. And they deliver the new cab/ chassis rigs that way every day. I've driven all over this state at times like this in pouring rain, on muddy roads, and such. The only trucks I driven that they required full fender coverage has been dirt haulers, bottom dumps, dump trucks and semi end dumps. But if theeey want to stop you they can always find a reason. I was stopped last Nov. by a CHP officer who said my signs on the side of my truck were to small. Well after talking to IA and then to his sgt who investagated it my complaint I recieved and appoligy from them and the whole thing was withdrawn. My signs met the standard set by the law and it was a pure BS stop as I knew he was back there and didn't break any laws in his sight.

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    You got it Bruce.
    I talked to a lot of specialists and cops, and you need to have mud flaps or the body has to extend to the rear at least as much as the height from the ground.
    But if they want to stop you they will stop you and then find a reason.
    Last week I was coming back from Hollister, and that cop was waiting on the side of the road and when I passed he followed me than after a couple of miles he pulled me over:
    He says you know why I stopped you, I said I know it's not speeding I was 5 miles under the limit, he says no, pauses, looks at me and says, you are not wearing your seat belt, and gives me a ticket, then asked me if I was wheeling.
    He said he wished he was wheeling now.
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    Well, if you read the section, you can see that you can be cited for it. A lot of local cops let truckers slide on stuff. Partially because they don't deal with truckers a lot. The average local cop doesn't know about log books, placards, or the other more intricate sections of the CVC that apply to big rigs. You could probably drive by the locals with a multitude of violations visible and they wouldn't know it. The CHP on the other hand knows that stuff pretty well. Especially their commercial enforcement people.
     
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    Well, if you read the section, you can see that you can be cited for it. A lot of local cops let truckers slide on stuff. Partially because they don't deal with truckers a lot. The average local cop doesn't know about log books, placards, or the other more intricate sections of the CVC that apply to big rigs. You could probably drive by the locals with a multitude of violations visible and they wouldn't know it. The CHP on the other hand knows that stuff pretty well. Especially their commercial enforcement people.

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    Well that doesn't explain the fact that when bobtailing back from Riverside I would cross 2 open scales and not be stoped for this. Hell I've been inspected in the scales when I didn't have a trailer on and only the flaps behind my rear tires that only went 2/3s up the back of the tires so they would clear a trailer frame when turning and no tickets for this. And belive me if they could have writen me up they would. I've been writen up for some pretty CS stuff but never that. So I don't know where whom ever you talked to was coming from but it's not what I see from the CHP's Motor Carrier Officers.
     
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    Don't know what to tell you. I've seen many cites written for this section on off roaders and on muscle cars where the tire sticks out of the body. Remember when it was popular for lowriders to put those wire rims with major offset on them that pushed them out about 8 inches from the body? Cites issued and these guys would slap a small mud flap on the back thinking it corrected the violation, but it didn't. Maybe there is an exception for big rigs somewhere in the CVC. I'll have to look, but I haven't seen one.
     
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    Ok, just got off the phone with a local CHP Sgt. Tractors are required to have not only the mudflaps as I described, but the tires covered as described in the section. If the trailer isn't on, and the tires are exposed, you are in violation. However, he did say that when you go through the scales several factors probably come into play. One is that by comparison with logbook, overloading, and hazmat violations, the mudflaps aren't as high on the priority list. Two, if the scales are being manned by guys who normally work the roads, and aren't regular commercial enforcment, you probably slide on a lot more items than you might normally. Three, if it isn't raining, then this section, while still enforceable, won't be scrutinized quite as much. Four, with all the terrorism stuff that is going on this last year, their focus tends to be on other violations and behavior.
     
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    Re: going \"bedless\" on the pickup in CA. how to make it street legal?

    So what yer sayin is that I get pulled over and get a fixit ticket because my rear fenders only cover 1/2 of my rear tires (but I do have mud flaps),that I can just pull the fenders off and go get my ticket signed off because there is no longer anything over the tire?


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    So what yer sayin is that I get pulled over and get a fixit ticket because my rear fenders only cover 1/2 of my rear tires (but I do have mud flaps),that I can just pull the fenders off and go get my ticket signed off because there is no longer anything over the tire?


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    That doesnt even sound right.




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