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Going deep, complete body removal question

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by hi pinion, Apr 3, 2005.

  1. hi pinion

    hi pinion 3/4 ton status

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    Just out of curiosity, how hard would it be to completely remove lets say an 85 body, motor, trans, the works ,,the whole shebang, and mount it onto lets say a 73 k5 frame? For smog purposes? Im pretty sure it wouldnt br worth it, it might be easyier to just sell it and buy a 75 an under truck, just checking!!! :grin: Later, Jacob :cool1: :)
     
  2. Desert Rat

    Desert Rat Fetch the comfy chair

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    If you put the 85 body on, the Blazer is an 85, not a 73. You also have to deal with the fact that they changed the frames and your body mounts won't line up.
     
  3. 86chevybanshee

    86chevybanshee 1/2 ton status

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    you could just find a completley rotted out say 75 or whatever year dosnt need smog, and switch the vin's. i dont know how stirct cali is about checking them. i know here in mass they dont look at the truck when you register it.

    i have a an 86 truck with 79 tags on it. id just tell them that i switched the cab but kept the same vins
     
  4. hi pinion

    hi pinion 3/4 ton status

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    oh :blush:
     
  5. 86chevybanshee

    86chevybanshee 1/2 ton status

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    yea, somone i know put an 87 blazer tub on a 78 frame and had to use like 6 inches of bodylift to get it to fit, that was one hell of a scary truck
     
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    Desert Rat,
    How did they change the frame? Did they just relocate the body mounts? Or all the curves and measurements different?

    Thanks
     
  7. hi pinion

    hi pinion 3/4 ton status

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    Na i dont think i could get away with it lol, im starting over if i can find a decent k5 , 75 and under, and throw a BBC in it and be done, for a while. :)
     
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    Desert Rat Fetch the comfy chair

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    They do check in Ca., especially if you get a gung ho CHP officer. Then prepare to pay far more than the truck is worth in court costs, fines, impound fees, and lost time. With our ridiculous smog law here, don't you think that smog cheaters are on the radar? Very much so...
     
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    Desert Rat Fetch the comfy chair

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    The back cab body mount is different. To quote tRustyK5 "The front end sheet metal changed between 80 and 81, but the frames changed in 78. in 77 there was no footwell behind the front seats, in 78 there was and the frame was changed. It remained the same until 91." in a thread called "Blazer Frames HELP". On the earlier models, the rear cab mounts are in between the frame on a crossmember. The later models have an outside mount just like the front cab mount.

    Here is a pic of my frame before I sandblasted it and POR-15'ed it on a 74. Perhaps somebody else can post up a pic of a later model. More pics here: http://community.webshots.com/user/douglasgrant

    [​IMG]
     
  10. pauly383

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    By my experience , 77 body on 83 frame .

    The older body and frames had position # 2 body mounts on the INSIDE of framerail .

    The newer body and frames have position # 2 body mounts on OUTSIDE of framerail .

    So newer on older would work if you drilled holes in the body and dealt with whether or not you had footwells .

    Older on newer requires cutting OR letting the rear sit up 3 inches higher ( which in my case don't matter as I cut most of the back body off anyway ) .
     
  11. K5MONSTERCHEV

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    Your going backwards, you want a older body.
     
  12. hi pinion

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    Damn man, either way i go it seems like criplle creek. :crazy: It all started just as something to toy around with on the weekends, ive changed directions 3 times now lol. BTW i need 75 and older, no smog he he. :)
     
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    I'm in a similar situation since I went with a 76 anticipating that within a year or so I wouldn't have to smog it. Then the law changed. I will probably just leave it until I retire and move out of state. However, some of the options I've toyed with are swapping in a fiberglass body onto my 74 that I still have. I'm betting that if you bought the cab over version, which is what I want, and swapped it you could still register it as a 74 since you aren't putting an actual VIN'ed body on it, but an aftermarket replacement. However, the website that offers them says it isn't an easy job. But, there is a guy here who did it, and Line-X'ed the entire body to boot.
     
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    You guys need more friends out of state!

    You guys in CA need a few friends from out of state!--then you could register your truck in their state and get plates from there--then CA cant touch ya!...we have tons of people in MA that use friends adress's to register their cars in NH,to avoid sales and excise taxes and other things--the RMV has been trying to catch them,but only have about 3 guys to cover the whole state,so that tells you how serious they are persuing it..

    Also a used car dealer in NH can buy trucks with no title,and get one--I have a friend that has bought a few trucks I came across with no title,and he was able to get one issued in NH no sweat!--you cant even SCRAP a truck here without one-( unless you cut it into little peices! :hack: :whistle: :angry1: )-I dont understand the anal laws some places passed.. :screwy: like we drive our trucks thousands of miles every year,and were "gross polluters" :surepal:

    If it came to me having to swap bodies,vin's,or just plain handing my truck to the crusher due to stupid smog laws,I think I'd get in my truck and MOVE!! :crazy: or register it somewhere more leinient at least... :crazy:
     
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    Desert Rat Fetch the comfy chair

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    While that may work in some states, Ca. is fanatical about keeping tabs on vehicles, especially in metropolitan areas. If you drive around with an out of state plate here, you are much more likely to be scrutinized by law enforcement, especially if they see you more than once. Double the scrutiny if your vehicle is an older off-road set up rig. There are so many restrictions on operating an out of state vehicle here that most folks will not know them. But, the cops do. If you are stopped in a vehicle registered out of state, you would have to show proof that you are not living here or working here. Finding out either about you only takes a few minutes for the cop. Here are a couple of sections from the Vehicle Code that apply:

    4000.4. (a) Except as provided in Sections 6700, 6702, and 6703,
    any vehicle which is registered to a nonresident owner, and which is
    based in California or primarily used on California highways, shall
    be registered in California.
    (b) For purposes of this section, a vehicle is deemed to be
    primarily or regularly used on the highways of this state if the
    vehicle is located or operated in this state for a greater amount of
    time than it is located or operated in any other individual state
    during the registration period in question.

    6700. (a) Except as provided in Section 6700.2, the owner of any
    vehicle of a type otherwise subject to registration under this code,
    other than a commercial vehicle registered in a foreign jurisdiction,
    may operate the vehicle in this state until gainful employment is
    accepted in this state or until residency is established in this
    state, whichever occurs first, if the vehicle displays valid license
    plates and has a valid registration issued to the owner, and the
    owner was a resident of that state at the time of issuance.
    Application to register the vehicle shall be made within 20 days
    after gainful employment is accepted in this state or residency is
    established in this state.
    (b) A nonresident owner of a vehicle, otherwise exempt from
    registration pursuant to this section or Section 6700.2, may operate
    or permit operation of the vehicle in this state without registering
    the vehicle in this state if the vehicle is registered in the place
    of residence of the owner and displays upon it valid license plates
    issued by that place. This exemption does not apply if the
    nonresident owner rents, leases, lends, or otherwise furnishes the
    vehicle to a California resident for regular use on the highways of
    this state, as defined in subdivision (b) of Section 4000.4.
    (c) Any resident who operates upon a highway of this state a
    vehicle owned by a nonresident who furnished the vehicle to the
    resident operator for his or her regular use within this state, as
    defined in subdivision (b) of Section 4000.4, shall cause the vehicle
    to be registered in California within 20 days after its first
    operation within this state by the resident.

    6700.2. (a) Notwithstanding Section 4000.4, subdivision (a) of
    Section 6700, or Section 6702, a nonresident daily commuter may
    operate a motor vehicle on the highways of this state only if all of
    the following conditions are met:
    (1) The motor vehicle is a passenger vehicle or a commercial
    vehicle of less than 8,001 pounds unladen weight with not more than
    two axles of the type commonly referred to as a pickup truck.
    (2) The motor vehicle is used regularly to transport passengers on
    the highways of this state principally between, and to and from, the
    place of residence in a contiguous state and the place of employment
    in this state by the owner of the motor vehicle and for no other
    business purpose.
    (3) The motor vehicle is not used in the course of a business
    within this state, including the transportation of property other
    than incidental personal property between, and to or from, the place
    of residence in a contiguous state and the place of employment of the
    motor vehicle owner in this state.
    (4) Nothing in paragraphs (2) and (3) prohibits a nonresident
    daily commuter operating a motor vehicle that displays currently
    valid external vehicle identification indicia and who possess a
    corresponding identification card issued pursuant to Section 6700.25
    from using that vehicle for other lawful purposes.
    (b) The exception to registration of a motor vehicle under the
    conditions specified in this section does not supersede any other
    exception to registration under other conditions provided by law.
    (c) This section does not apply to a resident of a foreign
    country.
     

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