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  1. firefighter184

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    Here is whay "anonymous PM guy" sent me today:

    I have said nothing about your job skills and abilities as a Firefighter, nor do I care. I do however appreciate the fact that you provide a service with little or no compensation to your community. On the other hand, skills and abilities are a very small fraction of the fire service profession; attitude, and professionalism is much larger. I am asking you to consider the image that you are projecting with your "mouth" not your skills. Did you not say in at least one of your posts that you wish people would show a little respect for Firefighters? Respect is earned based upon attitude not skills.

    I have said that your attitude, personal attacks etc. is not projecting a "positive" outlook on the "Fire Service Profession". A true professional does not act like this. If you were Chief of a Fire Department; would you really be impressed by this type of behavior? I would “Much” rather have a lazy ass Firefighter than someone with a mouth like yours. In fact as a Union Rep, it would be so difficult to defend a person like you because nobody wants an employee that exhibits this behavior.

    You state the fact that you don’t attack a person but “only” beliefs and opinions; however this is so “hypocritical”! In fact it is a plain ass lie! Another thing I cannot stand is a “hypocrite”. Hypocrites say one thing and do another by the way!

    I suggest that you re-read just your posts and pm’s to me. If you cannot see your attitude and personnel attacks, I suggest you spend some time developing your interpersonal skills and forgo fire related classes/training for a while.

    Once again; who wrote this?

    If you took any of my posts personally, I'm sorry. I only attack beliefs and opinions and if I came across as personal, again, sorry dude.

    How about this: If you are so proud of your posts and they are so positive in nature, give me the name of the Fire Department that you work for and I will contact your Chief and personally ask him if he condones such behavior.

    I am sorry if you feel that I’m being too hard on you, however you really need to consider these facts.

    HERE IS MY REPLY:

    NOW I see what kind of fireman you are. See, in the real world of firefighting, a fireman wants the guy with the best skills and the biggest balls to back him up on a search of the floor above the fire. I run with a crew that has a couple of the biggest a**holes on the department, but I deal with them for one reason: They train as hard and as often as I do, and their skills and fireground knowledge are second to none. I don't know how it is in your firehouse, but here we are all expected to be professional and positive. These ARE valued traits to us, BUT they are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if the guy can't fight fire. You are out of your f***ing mind if you are serious when you say you'd take a fat lazy guy over me if he was "nice" and "professional". You're what's wrong with todays fire service. Not me.

    It's guys like you who want the firehouse to be a kinder, gentler, feminized kind of place that f*** it up for the rest of us who just want to fight fire and do it well. A soft, sensitive mother****** like you would get eaten up in my house.

    Public image is what you claim to hold against me. Well, my posts and opinions around here generally go over pretty well. As a matter of fact, you are the only person who has come out and just plain got "upset" with me. A couple of other guys around here don't agree with me, but we get it all out in the OPEN FORUM, not via PM's. Man up, dude. I am a professional when I deal with my fire department's customers, but at the when I am on MY TIME, I say what I want, when I want, and how I want, and if I choose to identify myself as a fireman, that's my right. I think firemen supporting Kerry is F***ING AWFUL, but that does not mean that they aren't good firemen.

    Why don't you bring this s**t to the Lounge where I can whoop your ass on the verbal wrestling mat all day long?

    Just know that from now on, anything you PM me WILL be copied into the Lounge so that everybody can witness the way I crush you. Foolish mortal, your puny brain is no match for the might of the awe-inspiring CONSERVATIVE FIREFIGHTER MAN echo echo echo echo.....


    MODERATORS: If I am crossing the line with this issue, please let me know. The guy is PMing this crap to me, and this is the best way for me to deal with my frustration with him, and to perhaps get him to quit sending me this crap. Plus, it's kind of fun...
     
  2. Stickseler

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    Why don't you bring this s**t to the Lounge where I can whoop your ass on the verbal wrestling mat all day long?

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    Sounds like a damn democrap.
     
  4. Shaggy

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    He's seriously demented in the head, he argues like he can't comprehend what's wrong with you, but his logic is seriously flawed.

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    I would “Much” rather have a lazy ass Firefighter than someone with a mouth like yours.

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    I'm trying to figure out why "much" is in quotes here, but I'm baffled. Anyways, this is crazy. Let me restate this in my own words - "People that don't adhere to the Party Line of the Great and Powerful Union are a threat to those that rely on the Union, therefore I'd rather put my life in the hands of a drooling moron that agrees with me than in the hands of a capable firefighter that voices any dissent with my socialist agenda."

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    How about this: If you are so proud of your posts and they are so positive in nature, give me the name of the Fire Department that you work for and I will contact your Chief and personally ask him if he condones such behavior.


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    It's nice that he's willing to do this for you. Most of us don't have people that are willing to go to our bosses and ask if what we do on our own time is OK with them. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif I also see that he seems to think that you're guilty until proven innocent in this matter of "personnel attacks". Just to be clear on this - your Union Overlords must verify your statements to be in adherance to the party line before you exercise your 1st amendment rights. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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    I am sorry if you feel that I’m being too hard on you, however you really need to consider these facts.

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    Aww, he thinks you're going to cry about his socialist ass criticizing you for not being lockstep with his Union ideals?


    Sorry, ever since the "World Government" episode, I have 0 respect for this guy. He is seriously out of touch with reality. That's not to say that he's not entitled to his opinion, but you know what they say about opinions.
     
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  6. Shaggy

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    Hmm, I see someone replied on the other thread, but I don't want to reply on it because he's all uppity about nobody replying there or he'll run away. My advice to you, John - arguing with this guy is like trying to push a rope. I look at the entire exchange and his complaints about you make very little sense. Good luck if you choose to persue it, but I think your time will be better spent trying to train your refrigerator to shake hands.
     
  7. Stomper

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    I took care of the problem on the other thread a while ago

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    I can't see chit /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
     
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  9. backcountry

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    Here is whay "anonymous PM guy" sent me today:

    I have said nothing about your job skills and abilities as a Firefighter, nor do I care. I do however appreciate the fact that you provide a service with little or no compensation to your community. On the other hand, skills and abilities are a very small fraction of the fire service profession; attitude, and professionalism is much larger. I am asking you to consider the image that you are projecting with your "mouth" not your skills. Did you not say in at least one of your posts that you wish people would show a little respect for Firefighters? Respect is earned based upon attitude not skills.

    I have said that your attitude, personal attacks etc. is not projecting a "positive" outlook on the "Fire Service Profession". A true professional does not act like this. If you were Chief of a Fire Department; would you really be impressed by this type of behavior? I would “Much” rather have a lazy ass Firefighter than someone with a mouth like yours. In fact as a Union Rep, it would be so difficult to defend a person like you because nobody wants an employee that exhibits this behavior.

    You state the fact that you don’t attack a person but “only” beliefs and opinions; however this is so “hypocritical”! In fact it is a plain ass lie! Another thing I cannot stand is a “hypocrite”. Hypocrites say one thing and do another by the way!

    I suggest that you re-read just your posts and pm’s to me. If you cannot see your attitude and personnel attacks, I suggest you spend some time developing your interpersonal skills and forgo fire related classes/training for a while.

    Once again; who wrote this?

    If you took any of my posts personally, I'm sorry. I only attack beliefs and opinions and if I came across as personal, again, sorry dude.

    How about this: If you are so proud of your posts and they are so positive in nature, give me the name of the Fire Department that you work for and I will contact your Chief and personally ask him if he condones such behavior.

    I am sorry if you feel that I’m being too hard on you, however you really need to consider these facts.

    HERE IS MY REPLY:

    NOW I see what kind of fireman you are. See, in the real world of firefighting, a fireman wants the guy with the best skills and the biggest balls to back him up on a search of the floor above the fire. I run with a crew that has a couple of the biggest a**holes on the department, but I deal with them for one reason: They train as hard and as often as I do, and their skills and fireground knowledge are second to none. I don't know how it is in your firehouse, but here we are all expected to be professional and positive. These ARE valued traits to us, BUT they are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if the guy can't fight fire. You are out of your f***ing mind if you are serious when you say you'd take a fat lazy guy over me if he was "nice" and "professional". You're what's wrong with todays fire service. Not me.

    It's guys like you who want the firehouse to be a kinder, gentler, feminized kind of place that f*** it up for the rest of us who just want to fight fire and do it well. A soft, sensitive mother****** like you would get eaten up in my house.

    Public image is what you claim to hold against me. Well, my posts and opinions around here generally go over pretty well. As a matter of fact, you are the only person who has come out and just plain got "upset" with me. A couple of other guys around here don't agree with me, but we get it all out in the OPEN FORUM, not via PM's. Man up, dude. I am a professional when I deal with my fire department's customers, but at the when I am on MY TIME, I say what I want, when I want, and how I want, and if I choose to identify myself as a fireman, that's my right. I think firemen supporting Kerry is F***ING AWFUL, but that does not mean that they aren't good firemen.

    Why don't you bring this s**t to the Lounge where I can whoop your ass on the verbal wrestling mat all day long?

    Just know that from now on, anything you PM me WILL be copied into the Lounge so that everybody can witness the way I crush you. Foolish mortal, your puny brain is no match for the might of the awe-inspiring CONSERVATIVE FIREFIGHTER MAN echo echo echo echo.....


    MODERATORS: If I am crossing the line with this issue, please let me know. The guy is PMing this crap to me, and this is the best way for me to deal with my frustration with him, and to perhaps get him to quit sending me this crap. Plus, it's kind of fun...

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    Ok John!

    Since your apparent motive is to gather a “bandwagon Support System” , and post it only from my point of view; let’s post my conversation to “you” exactly as it unfolds.


    Me to you:

    John,

    Neither of us has to agree with each others beliefs politically. In fact I prefer to agree to disagree.

    I do not however care for your name calling, anger and negative tone. I would only hope that not all of the Firefighters from where you work project this image, nor do I believe that your Fire Chief would condone such behavior. In my opinion, this is a disgrace to the “Fire Service Profession”. If you stop and think for a moment; do you really believe that this type of behavior is conducive to the Fire Service? In my opinion, it is not conducive to “any” profession.

    As a Professional Firefighter I take my job as such. I consider myself a “role model” and handle myself accordingly. I have contact with numerous people on a day to day basis both on and off duty; however I always try to project a positive image.

    Neither you nor the guys on K5 have to agree with my beliefs nor do I want you to. You all have a right to your opinions and I can appreciate that. Could you imaging how boring and dysfunctional this world would be if we were all the same? What I don’t care to see is all the anger, uncontrolled emotions and personal attacks.

    I don’t mind if you choose to exhibit this behavior, however please do the profession a favor and remove your “firefighter184” tag. I cannot stand to see someone advertise themselves as a “Firefighter” with such disrespect.

    It is obvious that our political views are not the same, and that is ok. Whether we agree or not, I do believe that you have seen me conducted myself in a professional manor on this site. I am far from perfect I know; I practice every passing day to become even a better person than I was the day before.

    You may laugh at all this; however you will be hard-pressed to criticize my demeanor. My political views/opinions on the other hand are debatable.



    You to me:

    Whoa! Gear down big shifter! Where did that PM come from? What is this in regards to? Is it a particular post? We all tend to get a little emotional about our beliefs, but did I say something really offensive to you?

    By the way, you kinda ask for a lot of grief by posting the way you do in a forum that tends to be pretty right of center.

    If you took any of my posts personally, I'm sorry. I only attack beliefs and opinions , and if I came across as personal, again, sorry dude.

    Bush/Cheney 04

    Me to you:

    John,

    Who wrote this?

    This is just one of the many. If you so choose I will send you all of them. I think you are capable to find them yourself however.

    CANADA?!?!?!?!

    Canada also has a crap-ass military (good troops, but small and ill-equipped). Canada has a MUCH smaller population. Canada is Frenchy. If all the liberal types here in America think Canada is doing it so well, why don't they move there? I mean, in Canada, you can get high whenever you want!

    CANADA! What a maroon...

    You to me:

    Lighten up dude. If you can't take the heat, keep your piehole shut or take it to another less conservative board. While I respect your right to speak your mind, by exercising that right you agree to deal with the responses to your posted opinions.

    I also take umbrage with the fact that you claimed that I am a bad example of firemen. I am state certified Firefighter2, Hazmat Technician, Extrication Specialist, Fire Officer1, Fire Instructor1. I have five years on the job, and am well respected throughout the Denver area fire service. I developed our department's RIT protocols, and am the lead instructor for our fire academy, which provide basic fire training at the state level to several area departments. My political views have no bearing on my skills as a fireman. I am a third generation fireman, and what we do is ingrained from birth in my family, so I think I was born a good fireman, and through hard work and determination, I made myself a great fireman.

    I don't know how it works around your firehouse, but at mine, we have pretty thick skin. Maybe you should toughen up a little.

    John

    Me to you:

    You don't seem to get it, do you?

    I have said nothing about your job skills and abilities as a Firefighter, nor do I care. I do however appreciate the fact that you provide a service with little or no compensation to your community. On the other hand, skills and abilities are a very small fraction of the fire service profession; attitude, and professionalism is much larger. I am asking you to consider the image that you are projecting with your "mouth" not your skills. Did you not say in at least one of your posts that you wish people would show a little respect for Firefighters? Respect is earned based upon attitude not skills.

    I have said that your attitude, personal attacks etc. is not projecting a "positive" outlook on the "Fire Service Profession". A true professional does not act like this. If you were Chief of a Fire Department; would you really be impressed by this type of behavior? I would “Much” rather have a lazy ass Firefighter than someone with a mouth like yours. In fact as a Union Rep, it would be so difficult to defend a person like you because nobody wants an employee that exhibits this behavior.

    You state the fact that you don’t attack a person but “only” beliefs and opinions; however this is so “hypocritical”! In fact it is a plain ass lie! Another thing I cannot stand is a “hypocrite”. Hypocrites say one thing and do another by the way!

    I suggest that you re-read just your posts and pm’s to me. If you cannot see your attitude and personnel attacks, I suggest you spend some time developing your interpersonal skills and forgo fire related classes/training for a while.

    Once again; who wrote this?

    If you took any of my posts personally, I'm sorry. I only attack beliefs and opinionsand if I came across as personal, again, sorry dude.

    How about this: If you are so proud of your posts and they are so positive in nature, give me the name of the Fire Department that you work for and I will contact your Chief and personally ask him if he condones such behavior.

    I am sorry if you feel that I’m being too hard on you, however you really need to consider these facts.

    You to me:

    NOW I see what kind of fireman you are. See, in the real world of firefighting, a fireman wants the guy with the best skills and the biggest balls to back him up on a search of the floor above the fire. I run with a crew that has a couple of the biggest assholes on the department, but I deal with them for one reason: They train as hard and as often as I do, and their skills and fireground knowledge are second to none. I don't know how it is in your firehouse, but here we are all expected to be professional and positive. These ARE valued traits to us, BUT they are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if the guy can't fight fire. You are out of your [censored] mind if you are serious when you say you'd take a fat lazy guy over me if he was "nice" and "professional". You're what's wrong with todays fire service. Not me.

    It's guys like you who want the firehouse to be a kinder, gentler, feminized kind of place that [censored] it up for the rest of us who just want to fight fire and do it well. A soft, sensitive motherfucker like you would get eaten up in my house.

    Public image is what you claim to hold against me. Well, my posts and opinions around here generally go over pretty well. As a matter of fact, you are the only person who has come out and just plain got "upset" with me. A couple of other guys around here don't agree with me, but we get it all out in the OPEN FORUM, not via PM's. Man up, dude. I am a professional when I deal with my fire department's customers, but at the when I am on MY TIME, I say what I want, when I want, and how I want, and if I choose to identify myself as a fireman, that's my right. I think firemen supporting Kerry is [censored] AWFUL, but that does not mean that they aren't good firemen.

    Why don't you bring this [censored] to the Lounge where I can whoop your ass on the verbal wrestling mat all day long?

    Just know that from now on, anything you PM me WILL be copied into the Lounge so that everybody can witness the way an intelligent, well-spoken, aggressive conservative can destroy a soft liberal like you.


    Me to you:

    LOL! /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif


    Your statement to me:

    Why don't you bring this [censored] to the Lounge where I can whoop your ass on the verbal wrestling mat all day long?

    What a joke!

    The fact of the matter is that you cannot handle my intelligence. If your above statement were to be true, why do you need to post my pm's to you?

    This is the reason:

    You want the rest of these guys to have input so they can help bail you out!

    Please: just make sure you post all of my pm's to you and do not leave anything out or modify them!

    Here post this one of mine to you as well!

    John,

    Who wrote this?

    This is just one of the many. If you so choose I will send you all of them. I think you are capable to find them yourself however.

    CANADA?!?!?!?!

    Canada also has a crap-ass military (good troops, but small and ill-equipped). Canada has a MUCH smaller population. Canada is Frenchy. If all the liberal types here in America think Canada is doing it so well, why don't they move there? I mean, in Canada, you can get high whenever you want!

    CANADA! What a maroon...


    Ok!

    Now, if you prefer to challenge me in front of everybody, all I can say is “good luck”!

    Ok all! If John so chooses to challenge me in this fashion; I asked that you allow us to do so without your involvement.

    If anyone jumps in I will be forced to exit this session because this is between John and I !

    Thank you!

    /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif
     
  10. jekbrown

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    [ QUOTE ]
    On the other hand, skills and abilities are a very small fraction of the fire service profession; attitude, and professionalism is much larger.

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    this truly sounds like a union guy wrote it. Who cares if you can fight fires or if you train hard, all that matters is that you are "nice" (code for: a leftist).

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    I am asking you to consider the image that you are projecting with your "mouth" not your skills. Did you not say in at least one of your posts that you wish people would show a little respect for Firefighters? Respect is earned based upon attitude not skills.

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    yeah, and I have no respect for left wing anti-american bullcrap like leftism. maybe YOU should be thinking about how YOU are making "the profession" look.

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    I have said that your attitude, personal attacks etc. is not projecting a "positive" outlook on the "Fire Service Profession". A true professional does not act like this.

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    When i was in the grunts, i was surrounded by true professionals, especially when I did hostage rescue... those people took no chit and were frequently outspoken about an issue. Didn't make me think any less of them at all.

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    If you were Chief of a Fire Department; would you really be impressed by this type of behavior?

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    no, probably because if fire chiefs are anything like police chiefs, they have become politicized to the point of idiocy... and are much more worried about thier position and "how things look" rather than actually getting the job done.

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    I would “Much” rather have a lazy ass Firefighter than someone with a mouth like yours.

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    yeah ok, whatever. You rush in the burning building with the lazy fat guy who never trains etc etc but is "a really nice guy" and I'll take the guy who is tough as nails, takes no chit, works his azz off and knows his chit. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif gimme a fawkin break.

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    In fact as a Union Rep, it would be so difficult to defend a person like you because nobody wants an employee that exhibits this behavior.

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    you didn't need to tell us that you're a union rep... just look for the left-wing, pro-lazy, anti-hardwork guy and you've found him.

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    You state the fact that you don’t attack a person but “only” beliefs and opinions;

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    I have no problem "attacking" (in the sense of a discussion, not physically) a person for thier beliefs and debating them freely. Everyone has the right to an opinion, that doesn't mean everyone is right. Hell, Hitler had political opinions... am I just supposed to roll over and say "oh wait, i cant attack him for his beliefs, that'd be sooo judgemental!"???? gimme a fawkin break. I've seen the results of leftism up close and personal, I know exactly where the democrap party is trying to take us. If you think I'm gonna sit here and roll over when you spew some leftwing crap you've got another thing coming. Its your right to say whatever you want, and its my right to smack it the hell down with the truth. We know you can't handle the truth cause you never respond to intelligent counter-points. Like most leftists you have your hands over your ears and you're saying "la-la-la, not listening la-la-la" because the truth hurts.

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    I suggest that you re-read just your posts and pm’s to me. If you cannot see your attitude and personnel attacks, I suggest you spend some time developing your interpersonal skills and forgo fire related classes/training for a while.

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    dumbest comment, ever. I'm speechless. Peoples lives are on the line where this guy lives.... but **** them, who cares, they are only people... go to that sensitivity training instead! and they say the left "cares". lie after lie after lie.

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    How about this: If you are so proud of your posts and they are so positive in nature, give me the name of the Fire Department that you work for and I will contact your Chief and personally ask him if he condones such behavior.

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    translation: you're not a leftwing piece of crap, so I'm going to get you fired! as an added bonus, you being unemployed will make my candidate for president look better!!! yay!

    I really like how the guy is supposed to be sooooo bad for excersizing free speech, but threatening to get a guy fired/disciplined from his job is somehow not a "personal attack". /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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    I don’t mind if you choose to exhibit this behavior, however please do the profession a favor and remove your “firefighter184” tag. I cannot stand to see someone advertise themselves as a “Firefighter” with such disrespect.

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    considering the amount of anti-american / anti-1st ammendment / pro-leftism comments you have posted, I don't think you should identify yourself as a firefighter... but thats just me.

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    You may laugh at all this; however you will be hard-pressed to criticize my demeanor.

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    I don't see what demeanor has to do with anything. Its a completely seperate entity from morality or anything else relevent. If a guard at Auschwitz was completely "professional" with an outstanding demeanor, would that make his acts or his positions "ok"? no. In other words, it has pretty much nothing to do with anything, so just drop it and move on.

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    My political views/opinions on the other hand are debatable.

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    your views have been carried out in practice and failed miserably everywhere they have been tried... the debate is over, you lost.

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    On the other hand, skills and abilities are a very small fraction of the fire service profession

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    talk about insulting the profession itself... you imply that training / hardwork / skill has nothing to do with firefighting... which in turn implies that "anyone" (whos nice) could do it. Thats the most anti-firefighter thing I think Ive ever read.

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    The fact of the matter is that you cannot handle my intelligence.

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    /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif if you think you have what it takes, bring it. You'll lose.

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    You want the rest of these guys to have input so they can help bail you out!

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    Thats it, deflect the truth by attacking the guy! You really are catching on to the democrap mo!

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    If anyone jumps in I will be forced to exit this session because this is between John and I !

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    translation: I'm scared and can't handle it because leftism is an indefensible position that just happens to "feel good" to the weak minded masses (and dictators).

    j
     
  11. backcountry

    backcountry 1/2 ton status

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    Here is whay "anonymous PM guy" sent me today:

    I have said nothing about your job skills and abilities as a Firefighter, nor do I care. I do however appreciate the fact that you provide a service with little or no compensation to your community. On the other hand, skills and abilities are a very small fraction of the fire service profession; attitude, and professionalism is much larger. I am asking you to consider the image that you are projecting with your "mouth" not your skills. Did you not say in at least one of your posts that you wish people would show a little respect for Firefighters? Respect is earned based upon attitude not skills.

    I have said that your attitude, personal attacks etc. is not projecting a "positive" outlook on the "Fire Service Profession". A true professional does not act like this. If you were Chief of a Fire Department; would you really be impressed by this type of behavior? I would “Much” rather have a lazy ass Firefighter than someone with a mouth like yours. In fact as a Union Rep, it would be so difficult to defend a person like you because nobody wants an employee that exhibits this behavior.

    You state the fact that you don’t attack a person but “only” beliefs and opinions; however this is so “hypocritical”! In fact it is a plain ass lie! Another thing I cannot stand is a “hypocrite”. Hypocrites say one thing and do another by the way!

    I suggest that you re-read just your posts and pm’s to me. If you cannot see your attitude and personnel attacks, I suggest you spend some time developing your interpersonal skills and forgo fire related classes/training for a while.

    Once again; who wrote this?

    If you took any of my posts personally, I'm sorry. I only attack beliefs and opinions and if I came across as personal, again, sorry dude.

    How about this: If you are so proud of your posts and they are so positive in nature, give me the name of the Fire Department that you work for and I will contact your Chief and personally ask him if he condones such behavior.

    I am sorry if you feel that I’m being too hard on you, however you really need to consider these facts.

    HERE IS MY REPLY:

    NOW I see what kind of fireman you are. See, in the real world of firefighting, a fireman wants the guy with the best skills and the biggest balls to back him up on a search of the floor above the fire. I run with a crew that has a couple of the biggest a**holes on the department, but I deal with them for one reason: They train as hard and as often as I do, and their skills and fireground knowledge are second to none. I don't know how it is in your firehouse, but here we are all expected to be professional and positive. These ARE valued traits to us, BUT they are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if the guy can't fight fire. You are out of your f***ing mind if you are serious when you say you'd take a fat lazy guy over me if he was "nice" and "professional". You're what's wrong with todays fire service. Not me.

    It's guys like you who want the firehouse to be a kinder, gentler, feminized kind of place that f*** it up for the rest of us who just want to fight fire and do it well. A soft, sensitive mother****** like you would get eaten up in my house.

    Public image is what you claim to hold against me. Well, my posts and opinions around here generally go over pretty well. As a matter of fact, you are the only person who has come out and just plain got "upset" with me. A couple of other guys around here don't agree with me, but we get it all out in the OPEN FORUM, not via PM's. Man up, dude. I am a professional when I deal with my fire department's customers, but at the when I am on MY TIME, I say what I want, when I want, and how I want, and if I choose to identify myself as a fireman, that's my right. I think firemen supporting Kerry is F***ING AWFUL, but that does not mean that they aren't good firemen.

    Why don't you bring this s**t to the Lounge where I can whoop your ass on the verbal wrestling mat all day long?

    Just know that from now on, anything you PM me WILL be copied into the Lounge so that everybody can witness the way I crush you. Foolish mortal, your puny brain is no match for the might of the awe-inspiring CONSERVATIVE FIREFIGHTER MAN echo echo echo echo.....


    MODERATORS: If I am crossing the line with this issue, please let me know. The guy is PMing this crap to me, and this is the best way for me to deal with my frustration with him, and to perhaps get him to quit sending me this crap. Plus, it's kind of fun...

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    Ok John!

    Your starting to fabricate things already!

    How come you added this to the post and not to the pm you sent me? /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif

    Your Quote:

    Just know that from now on, anything you PM me WILL be copied into the Lounge so that everybody can witness the way I crush you. Foolish mortal, your puny brain is no match for the might of the awe-inspiring CONSERVATIVE FIREFIGHTER MAN echo echo echo echo.....


    MODERATORS: If I am crossing the line with this issue, please let me know. The guy is PMing this crap to me, and this is the best way for me to deal with my frustration with him, and to perhaps get him to quit sending me this crap. Plus, it's kind of fun...

    This is your actual reply via pm to me:

    NOW I see what kind of fireman you are. See, in the real world of firefighting, a fireman wants the guy with the best skills and the biggest balls to back him up on a search of the floor above the fire. I run with a crew that has a couple of the biggest assholes on the department, but I deal with them for one reason: They train as hard and as often as I do, and their skills and fireground knowledge are second to none. I don't know how it is in your firehouse, but here we are all expected to be professional and positive. These ARE valued traits to us, BUT they are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if the guy can't fight fire. You are out of your [censored] mind if you are serious when you say you'd take a fat lazy guy over me if he was "nice" and "professional". You're what's wrong with todays fire service. Not me.

    It's guys like you who want the firehouse to be a kinder, gentler, feminized kind of place that [censored] it up for the rest of us who just want to fight fire and do it well. A soft, sensitive motherfucker like you would get eaten up in my house.

    Public image is what you claim to hold against me. Well, my posts and opinions around here generally go over pretty well. As a matter of fact, you are the only person who has come out and just plain got "upset" with me. A couple of other guys around here don't agree with me, but we get it all out in the OPEN FORUM, not via PM's. Man up, dude. I am a professional when I deal with my fire department's customers, but at the when I am on MY TIME, I say what I want, when I want, and how I want, and if I choose to identify myself as a fireman, that's my right. I think firemen supporting Kerry is [censored] AWFUL, but that does not mean that they aren't good firemen.

    Why don't you bring this [censored] to the Lounge where I can whoop your ass on the verbal wrestling mat all day long?

    Just know that from now on, anything you PM me WILL be copied into the Lounge so that everybody can witness the way an intelligent, well-spoken, aggressive conservative can destroy a soft liberal like you.

    This:

    Just know that from now on, anything you PM me WILL be copied into the Lounge so that everybody can witness the way an intelligent, well-spoken, aggressive conservative can destroy a soft liberal like you.

    To this?

    Just know that from now on, anything you PM me WILL be copied into the Lounge so that everybody can witness the way I crush you. Foolish mortal, your puny brain is no match for the might of the awe-inspiring CONSERVATIVE FIREFIGHTER MAN echo echo echo echo.....

    MODERATORS: If I am crossing the line with this issue, please let me know. The guy is PMing this crap to me, and this is the best way for me to deal with my frustration with him, and to perhaps get him to quit sending me this crap. Plus, it's kind of fun...

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  12. oatsk5

    oatsk5 1/2 ton status Premium Member GMOTM Winner

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    I cant say much about the whole firefighter deal but i can say that both of the unions ive been in contact with have been a joke i got rapped out of 700 bucks beacuse of there stuart being lazy but i can say that i know john personally and i would rather have someone that backs what he speaks behind me , or saving my family than a lazy fat guy oh yeah i know quite a few fire fighters on the westernslope and they all walk the walk and talk the talk /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
  13. SkulzNBonz

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    The fact of the matter is that you cannot handle my intelligence.

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    I beg to differ, you "think" you are intelligent. But what would the "less intelligent"(implied) of us here know. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
    You Sir, and I say this because you must be so much older, wiser, and more worldly than me, are suffering from delusions of granduer. Call a proctologist, I believe there is something stuck up your ass approximately the size of a human head.

    John, too.
     
  14. newyorkin

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    So the basic argument is that one guy is too gritty in his approach and that's making firefighters look bad?

    Sounds like kind of a lame argument. Is it even an argument? I'm a fan of good attitudes and good presentation, but I can sure say I've met some truly great people I wouldn't want speaking in front of my kids, and it didn't make them any less great to me.
     
  15. MaxCrack

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    I have no idea what's goioing on.

    But personally, if you put out the fire in house and save my life, I don't care how much of an [censored] you are.
     
  16. Desert Rat

    Desert Rat Fetch the comfy chair

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    You know, in various law enforcement forums, i.e. the newsgroups, this argument periodically comes up. Somebody takes umbrage to the fact somebody else identifies themselves as a law enforcement officer and their opinions are in total disagreement. Allegations fly that the LEO is unprofessional and should be reported. For me, unless you identify your agency, and then act like a complete asshat, then you should have the right to say whatever you want. In fact, most fire and police agencies have a written policy regarding conduct unbecoming, as does the military. However, when you make a generic statement that you are a certain profession without giving your rank and agency or appearing in agency uniform, those regulations do not apply. You cannot be disciplined, nor should you be chastised IMNSHO, if your comments are not attributed to an identified member of an agency. Most "chiefs" would be reticent to pursue any kind of discipline against a member who exercises their free speech rights without attributing their opinion specifically to their agency. I think this whole argument is an exercise in futility. There are cops and firefighters on both sides of the political spectrum. State your views and people can make their decision as to whether or not they agree, dislike, despise, support, etc. those opinions. Your occupation should be irrelevant.
     
  17. SkulzNBonz

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    Your occupation should be irrelevant.

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    So true. On one side of the argument, it is. On the other, it is being used to somehow give validity to one's OPINION.

    John
     
  18. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    You know, in various law enforcement forums, i.e. the newsgroups, this argument periodically comes up. Somebody takes umbrage to the fact somebody else identifies themselves as a law enforcement officer and their opinions are in total disagreement. Allegations fly that the LEO is unprofessional and should be reported. For me, unless you identify your agency, and then act like a complete asshat, then you should have the right to say whatever you want. In fact, most fire and police agencies have a written policy regarding conduct unbecoming, as does the military. However, when you make a generic statement that you are a certain profession without giving your rank and agency or appearing in agency uniform, those regulations do not apply. You cannot be disciplined, nor should you be chastised IMNSHO, if your comments are not attributed to an identified member of an agency. Most "chiefs" would be reticent to pursue any kind of discipline against a member who exercises their free speech rights without attributing their opinion specifically to their agency. I think this whole argument is an exercise in futility. There are cops and firefighters on both sides of the political spectrum. State your views and people can make their decision as to whether or not they agree, dislike, despise, support, etc. those opinions. Your occupation should be irrelevant.

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    Ding, ding, ding; we have a winner folks.....................

    There's maybe all of five people on this board that know where I work and I like it that way. First reason is because there's an asshat here that would like to start crap at my job, he did it to someone else (long story); and the other reason is because it really doesn't concern them unless I personally have something to say about them, good or bad.
     
  19. clarkjw24

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    Is this guy "GOD" or what. I can't figure out why he thinks he has the right to correct or guide you in how or what you want to say. $h17 like this is not acceptable. I have no idea what is involved with the "Union" and nor do I care. Where I come from I decide who and what I am, whether it be a nice guy or asswatt. I have only myself and my family care and provide for. I live my life for no other. Also I'm not sure but I think PMing is for small chit chat between wheeling buddies and sealing the deal on trades, not for telling someone their ideas are off. If statement/opinion thread is started in a forum thats where is should be responded to. PM=Private Message much like your PERSONAL telephone or mail box. Next, I guess I'll be giving a bad name to Rednecks /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
  20. BigOrange90Jimmy

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    But personally, if you put out the fire in house and save my life, I don't care how much of an [censored] you are.

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    I agree.

    I'm a fireman also (volunteer), and I can't understand his misguided ramblings. I don't see an arguement here. I just see someone who found out that if you shake it more than twice it goes off.
     

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