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Got This email thats puts everything in persepctive - long read

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Chevy305, Oct 31, 2006.

  1. Chevy305

    Chevy305 6 Lug 14bsf Status Premium Member GMOTM Winner

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    [FONT=arial,helvetica] Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England and America for food and war materials.

    At that time the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and most Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war.


    Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not yet attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had few allies.


    France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France quickly aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly not an ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owning and controlling all of Asia. Together, Japan and Germany had long-range plans of invading Canada and Mexico , as launching pads to get into the United States over our northern and southern borders, after they finished gaining control of Asia and Europe. America's only allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia . That was about it. All of Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the East, was already under the Nazi heel.


    America was certainly not prepared for war. America had drastically downgraded most of its military forces after W.W.I and throughout the depression, so that at the outbreak of WW2, army units were training with broomsticks because they didn't have guns, and cars with "tank" painted on the doors because they didn't have real tanks. And a huge chunk of our navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor.


    Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600 million in gold bullion in the Bank of England, that was actually the property of Belgium, given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact). Actually, Belgium surrendered on one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day just to prove they could. Britain had already been holding out for two years in the face of staggering shipping loses and the near-decimation of its air force in the Battle of Britain , and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later, and first turning his attention to Russia, at a time when England was on the verge of collapse, in the late summer of
    1940.


    Ironically, Russia saved America's butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.


    Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow alone... 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a MILLION soldiers.


    Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire war effort against the Brits, then America. And the Nazis could possibly have won the war.


    All of this is to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. And? now, we find ourselves at another one of those key moments in history.


    There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants and may soon have, the Ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world.


    The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs -- they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world. And that all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra.


    There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East -- for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation, but it is not known yet which will win -- the Inquisitors, or the Reformationists.


    If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian economies. The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC -- not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis.


    You want gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.


    If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, and live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.


    We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. And we can't do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at a time and place of our choosing........in Iraq


    Not in New York, not in London, or Paris or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we are doing two important things.


    (1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a terrorist.


    Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million Iranians.


    (2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.


    World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen years before America joined it. It officially ended in 1945 -- a 17 year war -- and was followed by another decade of US occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own again ... a 27 year war.


    World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars. W.W. II cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action.


    The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $160 billion, which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost about 2,200 American lives, which is roughly 2/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11. But the cost of not fighting and winning W.W.II would have been unimaginably greater -- a world dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.


    Americans have a short attention span, conditioned by 30 second sound bites, 60 minute TV shows, and 2 hour movies in which everything comes out okay.


    The real world is not like that? It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. Always has been, and probably always will be.


    The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore it.


    If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq , then we have an " England " in the Middle East, a platform, from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates. The Iraq war is merely another battle in this ancient and never-ending war. And now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons. Unless somebody prevents them.


    We have four options:


    1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.


    2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).


    3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.


    4. Or, we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe. It will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier.


    If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.


    The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.


    Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.


    Remember, perspective is everything, and America's schools teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young American mind.


    The Cold war lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany.


    World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation, and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million people, depending on which estimates you accept.


    The US has taken more than 2,000 KIA in Iraq . The US took more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism. In W.W.II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years. Most of the individual battles of W.W.II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far.


    But the stakes are at least as high ... A world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms ... or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).


    It's difficult to understand why the American left does not grasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis.


    "Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate here in America , where it's safe.


    Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea, in the places that really need peace activism the most?


    The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc. Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.


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    Raymond S. Kraft is a writer living in Northern California . Please consider
    passing along copies of this article to students in high school, college and
    university as it contains information about the American past that is very
    meaningful today -- history about America that very likely is completely
    unknown by them (and their instructors, too).? By being denied the facts of
    our history, they are at a decided disadvantage when it comes to reasoning
    and thinking through the issues of today.? They are prime targets for
    misinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in causes and beliefs that
    are special interest agenda driven.?
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  2. chevyfumes

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    Talk about a long winded f@cker, I almost made it half way through...
     
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    go get another drink and finish it you lazy focker!
     
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    WOW. That was a awsome article. Its great to read stuff like this amonst all the negative leftist media
     
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    It was good until he went a little far by saying that if we wait now the Islam Extremists will own France and Germany and the rest of Europe.

    I somewhat doubt that they would just roll over that easily and it would all be up to the U.S. to save the world.


    Which IS the problem. The world doesn't want to get involved, but would rather sit back and let the U.S. deal with it, while letting them reserve the ability to shake their heads at our violent acts against other countries.


    I know it sounds bad, but I think it could be a good thing if France and Russia had a 9/11/01 type scenario. I don't want people to die, but it would be nice to have their eyes opened to a few things.
     
  6. Chevy305

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    Both England and Spain were attacked by terrorists, I see the British on the battle field, but why isn't Spain actively seeking justice by sending troops to help in the war?
     
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    Because they are Dirty Spainiards!

    J/K :D
     
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    Actually, half of France was our ally, but most of the government did roll over.
     
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    And I just found a list of Coalition Casualties in Iraq and Spain is on there.

    Looks like they helped invade in 2003, but didn't really stay. No casualties since 2004, and only 1 that year. The bulk of their loss was in 2003.
     
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    Pretty sure Spain pulled their troops out after the terrorist attacks in Spain on the subway.
     
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    Spain had an election shortly after the March 11, 2004 Madrid subway bombings. The conservative government (by European standards) at first blamed ETEA (think IRA, but in Spain), they claimed they did not do it.

    Once the facts came out that it was Muslims, people wanted to know "Why are we fighting there when it is causing us to be bombed at home?" This among other things (it's never that simple) caused Spain's socialist party to win big in the next election.

    The Spanish people should know better-remember that little thing with the Moors? It only took about 500 years to get rid of them last time. One would think Spain would be leading the charge, but one would be wrong. Then again, although Spain was officially neutral in WWII they provided support to the Axis, especially Italy. Mussolini also aided Franco in Spain's civil war.
     
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    Interesting... I did not know that about Spain.
     
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    Very well written article. I am impressed. Very nice.
     

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