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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Z3PR, Sep 7, 2004.

  1. Z3PR

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    My bro's 15 Y/O daughter go's on some teen website and there is alot of hatered for america from the kids on the other side of the pond. From what I gather, the news over there only shows anti-america crapola. Makes me sad that this great nation is being dissrespected by a bunch of know nothing little crapheads.
     
  2. Burt4x4

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    It's eaisier to hate than to Love /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
     
  3. newyorkin

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    Like the irony of how Michael Moore's movie interviewed Canadian teens who said Americans are stupid and violent, and that they (the pacifist candian teens) express thier rage in fun ways, by making fun of each other.

    Moore forgets to mention in the movie, that's exactly what people did to Harris and Kleibold...

    Hey, how interesting, maybe Michael Moore's movie's are why foreigners hate America.

    Anyway, bottom line, who gives a flippin hoot what they think, as long as they're not strapping bombs to thier chests and walking down our streets, we don't need to operate our country on thier terms. I'm sure that's a wrong statement and could be made more tactfully, but I'm itching to walk out the door...
     
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    Oh there's PLENTY to hate about America, mainly it's citizens, but you have to focus on the good
     
  5. jekbrown

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    europe (mainly western/northern europe, central/east is ok) is a useless pile of crap IMO. They try to tell US about war and nation building? How many unjustified wars have the euros had? how many psycho dictators? how many fawked up nation building excersises (hello africa and the middle east!)??? they don't have a leg to stand on with respect to ANY of these issues. IMO they are angry that they are militarily/morally weak and no one really cares what they think anymore... that is what pisses them off more than anything. Its like France... they keep acting like they are some sort of 1st world power... when in reality no one gives a crap about France. We dont take orders from them... their military would get its ass kicked by the LAPD let alone a real military unit, their economy is pathetic (12% unemployment?), they're morally challenged and yet they still look down their noses at everyone like we should care.

    I've been sayin it since they chose Libya/Khadafi over the US... **** 'em.

    j
     
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    whatever happened to isolationism...
     
  7. mtn. burb

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    Good reminder thezentree, I lean towards it for some of it's benefits. However, isolationism is a dead issue since the late 19th century...but to stay on thread....A man spoke at our church last month who lives in England, though he is an American. He pointed out that he was shocked upon returning to America after several years, how little news we actually get on Europeon events. What we get is superficial. Meaningless blurbs. So I imagine the average person in Europe hears only blurbs, or negative things about us. I find it interesting to watch the nightly BBC news on cable every once and a while. Sometimes I just think the "mass media" is out to keep people as uninformed as possible. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

    Fox News blew away the big 3 networks during the RNC coverage, which is encouraging. But on the flip side of the coin, read an article in Forbes about XM Radio and Sirius satellite radio, all digital w/o any stupid jocks and no commercials. ( L.A. radio ads = Lose weight with our pill,etc., then, RE-FI NOW !!,, lose weight , refi now!!,, over and over) /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif But, satellite radio is getting hammered by the tradtional broadcast radio lobbyists in D.C. Basically, congress is passing laws to make it impossible for XM to make a profit. Hey, if you can't keep up with the competition, create laws to crush them.

    I try to search for the story behind the story. Another cool thing is to watch Spanish news, with no volume. Just look at what they put on the screen. They show all kinds of different pictures then the big three networks.
     
  8. CyberSniper

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    People outside of the US hate everything about the US. However, given the opportunity, they'd be just like us. People have free will... and everywhere their "free will" is making them just like the US.

    Canada is a fine example. If you watch their TV (CBC is one of three noteworthy networks) they have very limited stuff on it. They have quotas they have to fill according to law (canadian programming). The rest they pack with US junk like Friends and The Simpsons. For the most part there is an incredible resentment towards americans in Canada. Most of Canada's agricultural market relies on the US as a buyer. When the US decides not to take as much Canadian wheat they cry about it. The same goes for the beef industry. They make it as impossible as possible for US companies to do business in Canada yet piss and moan when we do something they don't like.

    Canadians tend to denounce US popular culture... yet every chance they get they mimic it. Steve Smith (Red Green show) says that Canada is like a little kid trying to get the attention of their older sibling... try as they might they have no consequence to the older sibling and they'll just brush them off. It's not that the US doesn't like Canada... it's just they don't care.
     
  9. jekbrown

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    i don't think most people here care about europe, and really, Im not sure why we should. lol! Im always interested to hear about world events and politics etc, but frankly, americans came here to get away from euro-BS. Their world wars, their anti-semitism and their snooty-ness is just to much to put up with. We don't want monarchy, we don't want their socialism and we don't think much of their world view. Other than that, we get along with them swimmingly. Personally, I just wish I could sense an OUNCE of gratitude for all we did for them in WWI / WWII / the Cold War. I don't want them to be American stooges or kiss azzes, I just think we've earned some damned respect.

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    After hearing all the protest over the US Bases in the 70's and 80's I find this very funny.

    German concern over U.S. pullout

    Tuesday, August 17, 2004 Posted: 4:10 AM EDT (0810 GMT)
    BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- German officials have voiced concern that their country has the most to lose with U.S. President George W. Bush's announcement that tens of thousands of troops will return home over the next decade.
    With about 70,000 U.S. soldiers based in Germany, thousands of local jobs -- from bakers to maintenance workers and office personnel -- depend on the Americans, who first came as occupying forces after World War II.
    European and Asian countries with U.S. troops have braced for the changes for several years, but Bush's announcement Monday that up to 70,000 uniformed personnel and 100,000 dependents will gradually be moved back to the United States brought home the full impact.
    "Base closures would hit us very hard," said city spokesman Ole Kruse in the Bavarian city of Wuerzburg, home of the U.S. Army's 1st Infantry Division.
    That unit and the 1st Armored Division, based in Wiesbaden near Frankfurt, will return to the United States as part of the global restructuring, Pentagon officials said Monday.
    They will be replaced by a brigade, a much smaller unit equipped with Stryker light armored vehicles, though they probably won't start leaving until 2006 at the earliest, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
    U.S. troops were based in large numbers in Germany during the Cold War to deter a then-feared Soviet invasion, and most of the 100,000 U.S. troops based in Europe are still in Germany.
    The United States will close nearly half of its hundreds of installations in Europe as part of the massive restructuring plan, defense officials said. It also has plans to reduce troop numbers in South Korea, where they have held static positions for 50 years.
    "The world has changed a great deal and our posture must change with it," Bush told a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Cincinnati. The United States needs "a more agile and more flexible force" to help fight "wars of the 21st century," he said.
    But for places like Baumholder, a town in rural western Germany with a U.S. military training area, that spells problems.
    Some 11,500 residents are matched by a U.S. military community of the same size, and the local economy would lose $150 million a year if the Americans left, Mayor Volkmar Pees told The Associated Press.
    "The Americans are part of us," Baumholder resident Iris Schoen said. "You build up great friendships."
    In host countries such as Germany and Japan, local governments have paid much of the cost of stationing U.S. troops.
    German officials have traveled to Washington in recent months to lobby against troop withdrawals and propose alternatives.
    For instance, Rhineland-Palatinate state officials say they have suggested that lighter units replace the heavy armor now stationed at Baumholder. Mayor Pees called on the German military to move into facilities vacated by the Americans.
    In Bamberg, officials said the local utility company could lose a major customer and that real estate prices would decline if the U.S. military leaves.
    "We view this with great concern," city spokesman Steffen Schuetzewohl said.
    In addition, a wing of F-16 fighters based at Spangdahlem near the Belgian border could be moved to the Incirlik base in Turkey, closer to the Middle East.
    "The Americans' announced troop withdrawal is understandable," said Alexander Bonde, a lawmaker from Germany's Greens party, which is part of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's government.
    "Since most of the European-based American troops are in Germany, it's clear that the bulk of the withdrawal has to happen in Germany," he said.
    Officials have indicated Ramstein Air Base and the Landstuhl military hospital in southwestern Germany, as well as the Grafenwoehr training grounds in Bavaria, are not on the table.
    For U.S. military personnel and their families, the immediate impact will likely be limited. Many soldiers are expected to return home when their tour of duty would have been up anyway.
     
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    I think most of the worlds resentment towards America is base on jealousy because Americans have so much, but many in the rest of the world have so little...most of the world knows so much about us, but Americans know so little about the rest of the world. The whole world knows of America's popular music and movie stars, but America does not know hardly any of the rest of the world's music or movie stars.

    What MtnBurb said about American news not giving much coverage about the rest of the world is true. I think many Americans would be surprised to see how much news coverage about what goes on in America makes the rest of the worlds news, but hardly any news about the rest of the world gets any coverage here.

    America has got it so good here that we do not need to, or care to, know anything about the rest of the world, and the rest of the world hates us for that.
     
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    Paul You should tell your niece to have a friendly chat with the others and remind them that it was the US that laid the smack down twice for their sorry ass's. She should also let them know that it was the US and Canada that was the only thing that saved their butts from the Nazis and Fascist Italy. She should also let them know who it was that kept Berlin from starving to death and kept the Sovit tanks from rolling all over Western Europe.
    I could go on and on but You get the point. If the youth of America paid a little more attention to the history of this country they might understand why it is that Europe owes Us a little fawking respect.
    BTW We wern't the only ones that saved them. The Canadians, Austrailians and New Zealanders also died to save their sorry ass's.
     
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    Paul You should tell your niece to have a friendly chat with the others and remind them that it was the US that laid the smack down twice for their sorry ass's. She should also let them know that it was the US and Canada that was the only thing that saved their butts from the Nazis and Fascist Italy. She should also let them know who it was that kept Berlin from starving to death and kept the Sovit tanks from rolling all over Western Europe.
    I could go on and on but You get the point. If the youth of America paid a little more attention to the history of this country they might understand why it is that Europe owes Us a little fawking respect.
    BTW We wern't the only ones that saved them. The Canadians, Austrailians and New Zealanders also died to save their sorry ass's.

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    Your absolutely correct, but (and I am sure you have heard this argument before) if it where not for France America might not exist. During the last battle for American Independence, at Yorktown Virginia peninsula 1781, France brought up their war ships from the Keys Islands (which where known as something different back then, but I cannot remember what) to blockade the Chesapeake Bay, and block British General Cornwallis and his troops in from escaping, thus allowing America to win the war of Independence.

    Note: In America what we call the "War of Independence" is called the "War of Insurrection" in Britain.

    You are correct though that America repaid its debt to France twice over, and with a lot more effort and blood than what France did for us.
     
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    if it where not for France America might not exist. During the last battle for American Independence, at Yorktown Virginia peninsula 1781, France brought up their war ships from the Keys Islands (which where known as something different back then, but I cannot remember what) to blockade the Chesapeake Bay, and block British General Cornwallis and his troops in from escaping, thus allowing America to win the war of Independence.


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    Yeah I know of the fact. But all that did was speed up the end of the war. Basicly Washington had Cornwallis surrounded and it was just a matter of time untill the Brits gave in. Just to prove a point we did it again in 1812 /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    I saw a bumper sticker in the Philipines some years ago that I think still fits today,
    "AMERICAN GO HOME"(and take me with you!) /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
     
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    if it where not for France America might not exist. During the last battle for American Independence, at Yorktown Virginia peninsula 1781, France brought up their war ships from the Keys Islands (which where known as something different back then, but I cannot remember what) to blockade the Chesapeake Bay, and block British General Cornwallis and his troops in from escaping, thus allowing America to win the war of Independence.


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    Yeah I know of the fact. But all that did was speed up the end of the war. Basicly Washington had Cornwallis surrounded and it was just a matter of time untill the Brits gave in. Just to prove a point we did it again in 1812 /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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    BIG MISCONCEPTION! we had our A**es handed to us by the British during the war of 1812. Badly enough they pushed us back from the Canadian border far enough to burn down the Whitehouse! If it weren't for a hastily signed truce, we would all be British citizens... (Although if we HAD won, Canada would be part of the U.S.)
     
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    we had our A**es handed to us by the British during the war of 1812. Badly enough they pushed us back from the Canadian border far enough to burn down the Whitehouse! If it weren't for a hastily signed truce, we would all be British citizens... (Although if we HAD won, Canada would be part of the U.S.)



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    The point was that We did it again (barely) on our own. I never said that we kicked their ass's. All that I'm saying is that We did it with out the French. So there is no "BIG MISCONCEPTION!" Unlike the 20th century where the US bailed out France 3 times (WW1, WW2, Vietnam) and were not talking a couple little war ships either.
     

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