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header paint?..helpful part numbers....pics added 3/27

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by gmc4cw, Feb 13, 2007.

  1. gmc4cw

    gmc4cw 1/2 ton status GMOTM Winner

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    I am replacing my current set of headers. I had a set of dynomax that were ceramic coated. the finish lasted several years. from day one I didn't like how they fit. the collector flange lined up perfectly with the lower shackle bolt.:mad: One of the reasons I am replacing them is that I jumped the truck last time out and bent them. the shackle bolt must have grabbed the collector on the landing. now the passenger side leaks at the head.

    UPS just dropped off a set of Hedman's. couple of reasons I went with them. FOR MUD(Julian) has a set and they fit much better. My current dynomax headers hang below the frame. I got the set with with the ball socket flange so hopefully they will not leak at the collector.

    I pulled them out of the box and not only are there spots where the paint has rubbed off but there are several spots where the paint is thin. Obviously these will eventually rust no matter what I do, but can I postpone it some?

    rattle can Hi-temp and call it a day or is there something else?
     
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    just talked to my powdercoater. they want $250 :eek1: to put hi-temp powder on. the last thing I had him do was $80. the hi-temp is what jumps it up. geuss I won't be going that route.
     
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    VHT header paint is probably your best bet. However, you need to read the instructions VERY carefully before you begin. For the paint to really stick, you need to sandblast the headers, paint them, and then bake them for 1 hour at something like 650 degrees F. Not exactly the sort of thing that you can do at home. :(

    IIRC, 1 hour is the time limit between applying the paint and beginning the baking process. Perhaps if you can get them painted and installed in about 1 hour, then you could just drive around (suffering the "aroma") ;) to heat them up good and bake the paint on.
     
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    no chance of driving this truck around. If it leaves my driveway it's on a trailer. the closest place I can legally drive this is 2 hours away. why I love 4 wheeling I will never know.
     
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    so I called Hedman to ask them what they recommend. they say I should remove all their paint because it is only on there for shipping and storage purposes. some EPA crap. I start talking to the guy about why I ordered hedman's and he tells me that I have the wrong part#. I bought hedman part# 69090. when I checked summits site and talked to the guy on the phone at summit they said they fit.

    The guy at Hedman informed me that they hit the shackle and that they have a set specifically to avoid that. part# 69230. They are made for lifted 4wd's. they are also available coated part#69236 and in a heavy duty version. the tubes are thicker, the flange is thicker and the collector, and they are coated. part#69830. If you go the Hedman site they have pictures of every header they make. it's very helpful.

    summit emailed me a return label for the ones I received. the woman on the phone wasn't going to and I would have paid return shipping until I explained that I ordered what they told me to and not what I thought would work. so in a way we are both at fault. I should have done more research and their internal info is not up to date.
     
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    Well I guess you found a coated version, but another possibility is the POR 20 hi temp paint, haven't tried it yet, but am going to on a set of headers for my IROC. will be a while before I get em in though.
     
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    I am still getting painted ones, just ones that fit better. the coated ones are $340. I drove this truck only a few times last year. as much as I want coated ones I can't justify the extra expense. the coated dynomax's that are on there now are from 7 years ago when I was driving the truck daily.

    so keep the suggestions coming for cheap ways to paint these.
     
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    I'm looking at Hedman's big block set for my truck. I was going to give the POR15 Black Velvet paint a shot. Claims to hold deep black finish up to 1200 degrees.

    I guess we'll see.
     
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    How about wood stove paint? We have painted burn barrals with this stuff and it last good. It gets red hot and still is there!
     
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    Check out Eastwoods offerings.....



    or you could do it right and send em to Jett Hott... :wink1:
     
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    I was hoping the resident paint expert would chime in. I was also hoping you would have some magically cheap idea. :rolleyes: Maybe I should just pay the money and get the ones that are already coated. they come with a 5 year warranty on the finish and a lifetime on the materials and craftmanship.
     
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    Honestly, I've never seen anyone with decent results on header paint... VHT 1500, etc.....

    But I have heard guys rave about some of those Eastwood manifold paints and such... might be this stuff... http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=731&itemType=PRODUCT

    And yeah, I'm a big believer in getting a nice coating.... From what I've seen Jett Hot is by far the best out there.. iirc, it's about $150 inside and out.. But it certainly isn't the most economically viable solution... :wink1:
     
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    you know what ive been contipalting on is the header wrap...i just dont know what happens to it if it gets wet...if it would cause headers to rust more...it would be nice to have a set wrapped if you had to work under the hood while it was hot...
     
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    i meant to inset the pic first..oh well here ya go...

    header wrap.jpg
     
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    I submitted an email request to jet-hot for a quote through their website. I got an automated response saying the guy was on vaction until next week.:doah: You think that a company that is that widely known would have someone else checking the emails while the guy was on vacation.:rolleyes:

    If it's $150 door to door I will get it done. The way I figure is that is the cost of a replacement set of headers and I would rather not replace these every year. The Dynomax coated finish only lasted 7 years but I consider that pretty good.
     
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    got the reply from jet-hot and ryoken got my hopes up.

    Chas,

    We really appreciate your interest in JET-HOT. This e-mail has your
    PRICE ESTIMATE, some technical information you need to have, along with
    a discount offer.

    JET-HOT is the number one supplier of ceramic coated headers in the
    world. We invented this coating and have over 20 years of experience in
    the science of engine exhaust technologies. We also want to let you
    know that we just sent you, by priority mail, information that should
    help you make your decision. You should have this within a few days.
    This packet contains several independent technical articles, a JET-HOT
    20 page brochure, and a video.

    We'd charge $275 to coat those headers in the 1300 Sterling finish. Add
    $20 for the matte black, blue, grey or copper finish. The gloss black is
    $50 additional and has an 1100ºF tolerance. We'll need them here for 5
    days plus shipping time back. If the parts are chrome or nickel plated,
    add $40 to the total and 2 days for stripping. Return shipping would be
    about $34. We do sell those new, already coated for $418(10% off offer
    does not apply).

    Technical benefits for the 1300 Sterling are as follows: Looks great,
    reduces under-hood temperatures by 50 degrees Fahrenheit and more, keeps
    pipes about 300ºF cooler, gives you 1-3% extra horsepower, extends
    average header life by at least 10 times, and improves safety in an
    accident by reducing the probability of fire-balling. It is also very
    easy to keep clean. If you use one of the other 1300 colors, they
    perform as well, but are not as cleanable. I will send you our full
    information package to get you all the coating benefits in greater
    detail.

    If you upgrade to the EXTREME STERLING you get a coating that will stay
    shiny 200ºF higher than Sterling, and take a maximum temperature of
    1700ºF, though it does have an orange-peel texture compared to 1300
    Sterling. It will also provide an estimated 100ºF more of insulation
    and carries a 5 year warranty. It is recommended for low boost turbo and
    supercharged vehicles, and lean running EFI cars. Cost is $50 more, and
    takes an extra 2-3 days to process.

    Finally we offer JET-HOT 2000. It does not provide as much insulation as
    the 1300 Sterling, but this coating can take temperatures up to 2400
    degrees. The 2000 only comes in a flat black, blue or grey finish and
    has a rough texture on the outside(like 150 grit sandpaper). The Jet Hot
    2000 runs $100 more than the sterling silver finish. This coating takes
    2 days longer than the sterling silver process. We suggest JET-HOT 2000
    for set ups with large shots of nitrous, high boost turbo and
    superchargers, motorhomes and towing vehicles.

    $ SAVE 10% $

    We are automobile and engine enthusiasts and want to insure your
    complete
    satisfaction. Please review all your options. If you inform us NOW that
    you
    intend to work with us when you are ready, we will give you a 10%
    discount
    from the quoted price. Call or email us to lock in your discount.

    All parts receive a 3 year unlimited guarantee that covers chipping,
    peeling, cracking, discoloration, rusting. New parts also get a
    lifetime rust-through warranty as well.

    Please ship your parts to:

    JET-HOT Coatings
    5602 Orchard Rd
    Pascagoula MS 39581
    or
    1840 West Drake Dr
    Tempe AZ 85283

    Please note: JET-HOT 2000 is only done in the Pascagoula, MS location

    Just be sure to include your name and return info so we know who they
    belong to and specify the finish of your choice. As for billing, you
    can either include a credit card number with the parts or you can call
    one in to the phone number listed below. Please feel free to call or
    email with any other questions.

    Points to consider in making your decision are:
    . JET-HOT has an impeccable reputation, unequaled quality and a
    guarantee. A guarantee we stand behind.
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    our coatings to the third generation which contains silver powders
    allowing your components to look better, last longer, and outperform all
    other coatings.
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    use sand like others.
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    not just one layer as everyone else does.
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    ok or so-so look.
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    will gladly provide you with technical know how at no additional cost.
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    Our number is (800) 432-3379

    YOUR FRIENDLY JET-HOT
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    So, in all that, it's around $300 they're saying?

    If so, that sucks... I remember somebody telling me they had theirs done for between 150 and 200.. But that was awhile ago...

    Wonder what their listed "in house" headers prices are like....
     
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    I can buy the exact same header from them for $413. it's in the qoute they sent me. thats exactly 3 times what I paid for them. if I didn't do anything to the ones I am getting and they lasted 2 years the three sets would last longer then the 5 year warranty they have. Eastwoods paint is looking pretty cost effective.
     
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    I'm not a huge fan of header wrap. I think i would try something else first, the stove paint sounded pretty interesting
     
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    can i just ask why???i think it would be good to keep cool under your hood just would it absorb whater and promote rust???
     

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