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Help with a debate on 14 Bolt SF vs. FF

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by MuddinManny, Jan 23, 2007.

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To 14 Bolt Semi or 14 Bolt Full Float. That's the question?

  1. Go with a Semi-Floater for ground clearance

    6 vote(s)
    9.7%
  2. Go with a Full Floater for strength and features

    46 vote(s)
    74.2%
  3. Go with a SF now, upgrade to a FF later

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  4. Stay with your 10 Bolts, a 14 Bolt is a waste

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  5. Go Nekkid. No one will be looking at your axles anyway!

    6 vote(s)
    9.7%
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  1. MuddinManny

    MuddinManny Banned

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    Guys,

    [​IMG] I'm at a loss.

    I have a very young friend who is being pulled around concerning the build-up of his rig over the most stupidest crap I have ever seen. He has been told [​IMG]that it would be better for him to get a 14 Bolt Semi-Floater, than a 14 Bolt Full-Floater simply because of the itty bitty difference in the differential size/ground clearance. He uses his rig for trails and MUD and isn't a hardcore wheeler yet. I have advised him the differences between a semi and a full floater and suggested that he go with the full floater since later down the road he may want to increase tire size, current choice 33's, and the obvious benefit of a full floating axle. Not to mention the strong possibility of another axle swap and unnecessary spending down the road.

    A FF can be bought for the same price as a SF, and the difference in clearance is minimal in the overall scheme of his buildup.

    Help a bru-tha out! No, it's not Avery! :haha:

    Manny
     
  2. jekbrown

    jekbrown I am CK5 Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    if a guy needs to be convinced that a ff14b is superior to a sf14b, he's probably beyond help. The ff14b is superior in every single way imaginable... except ground clearance. Shave it smooth and call it good. At least with a ff14b when you break a shaft, your whole wheel/tire don't fly off and bounce down the trail on their own! :thumb: ;)

    j
     
  3. CustomChevy

    CustomChevy 1/2 ton status

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    if hes gunna do it he might as well do it right the first time. FF for sure.


    That being said. given his use, he'd probably be fine on halfton's and not have mismatching lug patterns.
     
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    NEK5 3/4 ton status Premium Member

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    X2! Do it right the first time, no sense in spending money to go backwards;)
     
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    thatK30guy 1 ton status Premium Member

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    Is it Avery's brother?
     
  6. MuddinManny

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    No, it's not Avery! C'mon...behave yourself will ya! :haha:
     
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    :haha: :haha: :haha:
     
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    i would go w/ the 14bff because its a hell of a lot stronger
     
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    RGV72BLAZER 1/2 ton status

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    if he's honestly thinking about using a 14SF, hand him *literally since they're so crappy* a D35. damn weakling. lol. tell him to step up, be a man, and get a 14FF. maybe that'll grow some hair on his chest. anyway, who's here heard someone say after wheelin' with their 38s, "i want to go back to my 32" A/Ts"?? all jokes aside, tell him to go with 14FF.
     
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    I would go with a 14FF as they are cheaper to find and cheaper to build. Sit down with him and give him the breakdown of rebuilding, regear, and locker. That and the selections for a 14FF are better ease of gear setup. That does not even get into the strength differences. I personally feel it is a waste of money to not use a 14FF unless he already has the other axle and it is setup the way he needs it and it is ready to bolt in.

    Ira
     
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    Who is telling him to go with a 14SF someone who has owned neither?:rolleyes:

    Ira
     
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    MaxPF 1/2 ton status

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    To me it is simply an 8-lug vs. 6 lug issue. If he is trying to choose between an 8 lug 14bsf and a 14bff then it is a no-brainer: 14bff. OTOH if he wants to stay 6-lug (which means he will NEVER go bigger than 37's) then a 14bsf is the only sensible choice. A 14bsf will handle bigger than 37's, but the 10b/D44 front wont, so if he plans to go really big he had best get the 14bff and be prepared to do a D60 in the future. But then, you already know that :D
     
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    They make 5 and 6 lug hubs for Dana 60s:D.

    Ira
     
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    Ira,

    No knock to rock crawlers, but apparently a few rock dudes got into this young guys head and said that the 14BFF would cause him to loose too much clearance. He took it to heart and without really knowing too much about the differences between axles, changed his whole game plan for his rig.

    I spoke to him at length about the differences, strengths, costs, upgrades, etc., and finally, after seeing this post, it's convinced him that he should stick with his original vision and grab a 14BFF.

    This is a prime example of people influencing a person to do what they want, rather than just simply give information for the person to make an educated decision that's best for them. That gets my BVD's in an uproar! I'm glad it was caught in time, because this could have been a very costly mistake, aka $$$$.

    Thanks!

    Manny
     
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    haha real funny guys...

    Honestly though w/ 33's why is he even thinking about swapping axles at this point?
     
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    because 33s blow 10 bolt rears.
     
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    10b rear wasn't mentioned....

    14sf would be bulletproof w/ 33's in my book.

    Tell you what.... you guys convince him that he needs a D60/14bFF, and tell him to sell that POS semi-floater axle to me...!

    Marv (you can't wheel on that 1/2 ton sh!t) Springer
     
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    Avery,

    His original plan is to go with 35's. Because of this stupid issue, he decided to drop back to 33's, while his heart's content remained at 35's. He may want to go bigger in the future. That's why he's going with a 14 Bolt. Besides, with the 10 Bolt's reputation, why take a chance of blowing something up every now and then, and spending unnecessary monies? It's not worth the debate. Yes, he's running 10 Bolts front and rear.

    The issue here is that giving bad, self centered information to youngsters in this hobby is NOT the right thing to do. Give them the facts so they can make an educated decision on their own. How else are they expected to learn? Or did you forget that lesson already from your 3/4 ton escapade?

    No offense meant by the rebuke.

    Manny
     
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    Considering this is ColoradoK5.com, this is one of the funniest lines I've read on here in a long time.:D
     
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    it happened to a buddy of mine....he had a govbomb in it tho
     
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