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Hey backcountry, what IS the answer?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by ugly_blazer, Aug 29, 2004.

  1. ugly_blazer

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    So Bush sucks. Great. Kerry is the man who can make this nation a better place. Please explain to me in detail using your own words what will Kerry do for this country and how will he do it?
     
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    So Bush sucks. Great. Kerry is the man who can make this nation a better place. Please explain to me in detail using your own words what will Kerry do for this country and how will he do it?

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    I don't care for Bush, no! BTW! Did I say he sucks or did you?

    I’m not going to sit here all day/night and have a debate with you or anyone else in regards to politics. I as well as you have a right to vote for whom ever we wish. You will not change my mind and neither will I yours. Besides, if I express the reasons why I like someone, some of you will tell me why I’m wrong. Sorry to disappoint you pall, but my feelings are not wrong.

    We can sit and be negative towards “any” person, candidate or anything else for that matter. I consider myself a positive person and I am not easy to pollute. You guys can attack all you want to no avail. I am a very successful and confident person and see no need to stoop to such low levels.

    If you choose to do so that is fine with me, however I suggest you do a little soul searching of your own.

    Anyway, if you choose to discuss something in a more positive tone; I will be one of the first persons to converse with you.

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    I am just trying to find someone who endorses Kerry who can actually tell me what he plans to do for us and how he plans to do it. I have not found anyone yet who could tell me what his plans are.
     
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    Anyway, if you choose to discuss something in a more positive tone; I will be one of the first persons to converse with you.

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    So when was I negative? At the beginning of this post? I figured that you are against Bush because of your Bush bashing posts, I just wondered why the other guy is so great.
     
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    I am just trying to find someone who endorses Kerry who can actually tell me what he plans to do for us and how he plans to do it. I have not found anyone yet who could tell me what his plans are.

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    You apparently have access to the internet; have you tried a search for Kerry’s plan? Try goggle search (Kerry's plan as president).

    Kerry's plan has been out, however some of you don't care to invest the energy to read it, call it "bullshit" or what ever you want, It is straight from Kerry.

    Read the material and then we can have a "mature intellectual conversation."

    BTW, I want to know when and how we are going to get out of Iraq?

    Here are a few links!

    http://www.johnkerry.com/plan/

    http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/health_care/

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    [ QUOTE ]
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    Anyway, if you choose to discuss something in a more positive tone; I will be one of the first persons to converse with you.

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    So when was I negative? At the beginning of this post? I figured that you are against Bush because of your Bush bashing posts, I just wondered why the other guy is so great.

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    Show me where I bashed Bush on this post? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
     
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    You are correct, I can, and do, read a lot about almost everything on the net. The problem I have though is with people (I am not specifying you) that plan to vote for Kerry and have no idea what he plans to do. I wish everyone read as much as I do, they would be capable of making better decisions.
     
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    You are correct, I can, and do, read a lot about almost everything on the net. The problem I have though is with people (I am not specifying you) that plan to vote for Kerry and have no idea what he plans to do. I wish everyone read as much as I do, they would be capable of making better decisions.

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    Ok Ugly Blazer,

    I have to hit the sack. Have to work at Firehouse tomarrow. (24 hr. Shift) I will be back home on the 30th to conclude or conversation.

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    Have fun, be safe /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    You pussy, you should have stabbed him in the eyes! /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
     
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    But then he would never see the light /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
     
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    Oh, brutal, brutal! /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
     
  13. jekbrown

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    read his plan, here's my response.

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    Restore America's Respect in the World

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    NO ONE in the world respects leftwing pieces of crap like Kerry, they know he's a limp wristed weeny like Bill Clinton, so they they like him cause he'll give them $ and "negotiate" away everything to them (like when Clinton gave PDRK nuke reactors), but they certainly do NOT "respect" him.

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    and Make us Independent of Mideast Oil

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    the right has been trying to do this for atleast 20 years. Left wing idiots like Kerry are the ONLY thing preventing us from being more self sufficient with respect to oil. We've been trying to build more refineries (one hasnt been built in the USA in over 2 decades), tap oil reserves we have here in the USA in CA, FL, and AK etc. No go, the left and its enviro-wackos won't let it happen, guarenteeing that we will have to import more oil than we should. Of course, their position weakens America, so thats why the left takes it.

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    Today, we face four great challenges above all others - First, to win the global war against terror

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    wow really? thanks for the update john. Thats like saying "we need to beat the Nazis and the Japanese" in 1943. Amazing revelation. Of course, anyone who thinks Kerry will take out terrorists better than Bush is smoking crack, but hey, its all good.

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    Second, to stop the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons

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    Hasn't this always been US policy since we got the 1st a-bomb? Nothing new here. Bill Klinton has done more damage in this issue than any other single person I can think of. Selling nuke plans and missile tech to china and giving away nuke reactors to north korea put us at more risk than anything else imaginable... and Kerry is more of the same.

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    Third, to promote democracy, freedom, and opportunity around the world

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    again, this has been our policy since WWI... nothing new john.

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    starting by winning the peace in Iraq

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    holy crap, why not just say "its another Vietnam and we have no hope of winning". Winning the peace? good lord. If I was a grunt and Kerry got elected, I'd be scared shitless... not of being killed by the enemy, but by being stabbed in the back from the peacenik president.

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    Fourth, end our dependence on Mideast oil. To meet these challenges, Kerry and Edwards will:

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    its demonstrable that the left has supported our dependence on mideast oil and is the only reason we are dependant at all. Nice idea though john... get the **** out of the way and it just might happen!

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    Launch and Lead A New Era Of Alliances.

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    flush out your headgear idiot, the "coalition of the willing" are the only allies we have in the war on terror. The other countries hate the US and are rooting for the terrorists to take us down a notch... you want alliances with them? wtf?!

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    The threat of terrorism demands alliances on a global scale - to utilize every available resource to get the terrorists before they can strike us.

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    this from the guy that didn't attend a single intel committe meeting after the 1st WTC bombing and has voted to gut our intelligence agencies and military dozens of times. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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    Kerry-Edwards will lead a coalition of the able - because no force on earth is more able than the United States and its Allies.

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    the US, England, and Israel are the only countries in the world that are "able" to do anything in the mideast militarily. Everyone else is all talk or, at best, useful in a support role. Allies are always a good thing, but lets be honest, the Poles being there with us is NO less usefull than France being there with us... in fact, the Poles are prolly better.

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    Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats.

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    ok, in the last 20 years he's voted against every single new weapons technology that our troops use/need to stay safe and kick enemy azz... and now all the sudden he's the "modernize the military" candidate? Please, if it was up to guys like Kerry our calvary would still be riding horses... but of course, thats mistreating animals, so the cavalry would be dismounted and just have to charge on foot. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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    Kerry-Edwards will ensure that our forces are fully prepared for the dangerous and vital missions they may face, and that America's military always remains second to none. We must extend our capabilities to better face new threats of terrorism, failed states and homeland defense.

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    yeah, whatever. Everyone in the military knows Kerry is a grunt hater. His conduct after vietnam and during his 20 years in the senate proves it beyond ANY doubt.

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    Deploy All That Is In America's Arsenal.
    The war on terror cannot be won by military might alone. Kerry - Edwards will deploy all the forces in America's arsenal - our diplomacy

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    already done that, what does this guy think Colin Powell does all day? We've had good diplomatic success in Libya etc. The leftwing media never wants to talk about it, but all that can be done (short of bribery or outright selling our country down the river ala Klinton) has been done. Those who are with us against terrorism are good allies, those who have chosen the terrorists have done so of their own free will. Their choice, not ours.

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    our intelligence system

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    the one kerry voted to gut, accused to peddling drugs (a lie)...

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    our economic power

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    yeah, just wait, once our taxes are doubled, our economy will be rockin! /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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    and the appeal of our values and ideas - to make America more secure and prevent a new generation of terrorists from emerging.

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    oh brother, not the "create a terrorist" arguement. Did anyone during WWII ever say "dont attack the Nazis, every time you kill one, you create 10 more!!!"?? gimme a fawkin break. Anyone who says something like that doesnt have a damn clue and shouldnt be CIC.

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    Kerry-Edwards will create a new energy and conservation trust fund

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    just what we need, more government!!!

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    will also expand the supply of natural gas, assure 20% of electricity comes from renewable sources by 2020, and make clean coal part of our energy solution.

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    all good stuff, to bad they have been fighting against it for 20 years. When kerry votes to drill in alaska, I'll believe hes pro-self-dependance.

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    Create New Jobs, Strengthen the Middle Class, and Ensure Educational Opportunity

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    government doesn't create jobs. All it does is either a) get in the way or b) get out of the way. Strengthen the middle class... left wing code for "take everything away from rich people and (after taking most of it for government bullcrap) give a pittly amount to poor people". good idea! worked sooo well in the Soviet Union.

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    Reward Companies that Create Jobs in America.
    The Kerry-Edwards plan will end tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas

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    is kerry still pandering that lie about tax breaks for comps that move people out? its a lie, always has been and always will be.

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    and use the savings to reduce the corporate tax rate by 5 percent, cutting taxes for 99 percent of corporations.

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    lets see, he's voted to increase taxes 350 times... voted to reduce taxes zero times... gee, wonder if that tax decrease is gonna go through... /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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    The Kerry-Edwards plan also includes a New Jobs Tax Credit for new hiring in manufacturing, other businesses affected by outsourcing, and small businesses.

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    ditto.

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    Strengthen the Middle Class.
    As incomes decline and costs rise, families are having a hard time paying their bills, let alone saving for tomorrow. Health care costs are up by nearly 50 percent, college tuition has increased by 35 percent, and gas prices have skyrocketed.

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    the left has caused pretty much all of those increase in health care, education, and gas prices and now they are the ones to fix it? if they are serious about lowering costs, ask them to denounce the trial lawyers and support serious tort reform. THAT is how you cut costs in medical/education spending. Rewrite the EPA rules and get oil from here in the states and gas prices won't be a problem either... of course, Kerry and his party are in the way of that so it aint gonna happen.

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    A Kerry-Edwards administration will provide relief to middle class families by cutting taxes and investing in health care and education.

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    cutting taxes... kerry... hahahahahahahahahahahaha-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. what the fork ever. if you really believe that, you're an idiot.

    "investing" = leftwing code for massive new socialist programs.

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    Invest in the Jobs of the Future.
    To keep America competitive for the future, a Kerry-Edwards administration will invest in research and technology and provide tax credits to unleash innovation in broadband, energy and small business.

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    there it is again, "investing". /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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    And they will work for responsible immigration laws that honor America's promise and strengthen America's economy and security.

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    Bush doesn't get any cool points from me for his immigration rules.... but that said, if you believe that Kerry is going to close the boarder, you're smokin crack. Minority votes elect democraps, they aren't going to close anything.

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    Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington.
    Kerry and Edwards have a record of fiscal discipline that is absent in this administration, and they have promised to live within the budget principles that helped lead this nation to balance the budget.

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    the republican congress balanced the budget, thats the only reason it was ever balanced. That said, the dot com bubble helped with that a lot, now that its burst and we're in a world war and our socialist programs (medicare, SS, etc) continue to grow we have a deficit. IMO the funniest thing ever is that the left actually gives Bush crap for this... if he cut or privatized SS or medicare or any of the other $200+ billion programs they would scream BLOODY MURDER about it and call for impeachment. He hasn't, and we have a deficit.. so they cry about that. Their entire position is a complete joke, and obviously so.

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    Provide High-Quality Health Care

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    if you want the gov to provide healthcare, move to north korea.

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    A Health Plan for Every Child
    The Kerry-Edwards plan will pick up the full cost of the more than 20 million children enrolled in Medicaid.

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    holy lets-spend-another-$500-billion-every-year batman! and this from the guys who want to cut spending? pleeeease. I can't believe they actually proposed this right after talking about the deficit... you'd think in an effort to fool weak minded leftists, that they'd put it a couple of paragraphs down... but they didn't even bother. WOW.

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    Manage Skyrocketing Health Care Costs
    The Kerry-Edwards plan will improve health outcomes while reducing health care costs by cutting administrative costs, waste, fraud, and abuse; enhancing disease management efforts; and reforming malpractice insurance.

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    none of those are gonna do crap... reforming malpractice lawsuits would though. Of course, edwards is an abulance chaser and the democraps are married to the trial lawyers union, so that will never happen.

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    World Class Education
    The Kerry-Edwards plan will support more resources and more reform in our schools. The plan will fully fund the No Child Left Behind Act so students have smaller classes and more textbooks. The plan will make reform work for our schools, supporting innovations in public schools like smaller schools, all-girls schools focused on math and science, and charter schools. And the plan will invest in afterschool programs so that 3.5 million children have a safe, quality place to go after school.

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    all girl schools? hello sexual descrimination. Seperate is NOT equal. Guess they missed that part of the civil rights movement. At any rate, federal school funding needs to go down, not up. We already spend more per kid than anyone on the planet. The problem has nothing to do with $, and everything to do with left-wing schools giving kids a crappy education and a dr. spock approved pansy no-discipline environment to "learn" in.

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    Every Classroom Has a Great Teacher
    The Kerry-Edwards plan will raise teacher pay, especially in the schools and subjects where great teachers are in the shortest supply, and will improve teachers' professional development and training opportunities. At the same time, the plan will create rigorous new tests for new teachers; provide higher pay for teachers who have extra skills and excel in helping children learn; and ensure fast, fair procedures for improving or removing teachers who do not perform well on the job, while preserving protections from arbitrary dismissal.

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    fed government doesn't pay teachers... the states do... or is he advocating the feds taking that system over too? More $$$$$$$$ from the guy who wants to cut spending...

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    Every Young Person Graduates
    Today 3 in 10 young people do not finish high school, and half of Hispanics, African Americans, Native Americans don't graduate. Kerry-Edwards will keep better track of graduation rates

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    huh? he just quoted stats noting exactly how many people dont graduate... be he and edwards are gonna keep "better" track? wow, thanks john. Lemme guess, new cabinet level position for the non-graduate czar? maybe a $100 million dollar new government office building? few billion for operating costs? oh yeah, cut the deficit too.

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    to hold schools accountable for raising them; will offer more tutoring and mentoring to at-risk youth; will make big high schools smaller when they are not working for their students; and will strengthen the high school curriculum so all students can graduate with a meaningful diploma.

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    again, class size has little to do with anything. You can have a chitty class environment with 10 kids and a GREAT one with 50 kids. You have to wonder if kerry ever went to school. I'm sure his kids go private, with momma heinz having half a billion $ and all...

    wow, that has to be the worst, most hypocritical "plan" i have ever seen in my life. Its pretty clear why Kerry chose to go into government, cause his "plans" wouldn't survive 2 minutes in the real world. What befuddles me the most is how anyone could read that and say "wow, Im voting for that guy!". Half of the thing is a lie, the other half is kerry saying he supports stuff that he has fought against tooth and nail for the last 20 years...

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    Well put, it amazes me how many left wingers can't think for themselves and realize how bad Kerry is for the job.



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    Provide High-Quality Health Care

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    It seems to me that if the government were to provide everything for us that it would kill any incentive for us to do anything for ourselves. I say don't give healthcare to all. Stop welfare for the recipients who are in good health. Take away thier food stamps. Let them go hungry, maybe then it will be enough incentive for them to get off of thier able body a$$es and get a job. If the government gives them more for free, naturally they will do less.
     
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    the US, England, and Israel are the only countries in the world that are "able" to do anything in the mideast militarily. Everyone else is all talk or, at best, useful in a support role. Allies are always a good thing, but lets be honest, the Poles being there with us is NO less usefull than France being there with us... in fact, the Poles are prolly better.

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    Read an interesting tidbit a few weeks ago. Read that South Korea was going to enter the game militarily. I'm just wondering if they are going to play at the same 'level' they did in Vietnam?
     
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    i really doubt it.

    it'd be cool if they unleashed the rok marines to kick some azz and get some revenge over that damn beheading of the korean guy, but it prolly ain't gonna happen. They'll prolly send some schmoes who will end up guarding water depots or something. Useful, but not exactly significant in the grand scheme of things.

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    i have a stupid question so bare with me, just lookin for a simple answer, would south koreas involvement in the war maybe make north korea fight against us? seein as how they dont seem to fond of us thus creating an even bigger problem /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
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    no, because behind all their sabre rattling, the north koreans are cowards and their leaders remember what happened to them after Inchon. Their economy is in NO position to fight against anyone. Right now, if the south could hold on for 2 months or so, they could beat the north by themselves.

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