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how hard is it to get 4 speed parts

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by BigMac, Aug 11, 2002.

  1. BigMac

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    Im mulling over my transmition options... I found a nice 465 that was in a rwd truck.. how hard is it to convert to 4wd w/2wd?

    I also found a 465 w a 205 - the adapter for 250.... how hard is it to get an adapter?
     
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    Been doing some more searchin.... I found a guy in Utah that has tranny to t case adapters and plan to give him a call...

    the best find so far has been that ORD is lookin to make or is making the 32 spline shaft for the 4 speed and for the 205! I wonder what adapter that would take?

    I can see a phone call to pick the guys at ORD's brains coming soon...

    After cruzin alot of yards not finding all the stuff this is all encouraging....

    I haven't even begun to look for the hydro parts...
     
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    I seem to recall quite a few sm465 in the 4 sale section.

    It's hard to imagine one of the yards near you doesn't have a sm465/and tranny case.

    Perhaps you are strictly looking for the 32 spline version?

    That can be hard to find.
    Good luck.
     
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    your right... the 4 speed isn't so hard to find... just hard to find the adapters to make everything work. most of the 4 speeds I find are already out of the trucks.... 2wd or they dont want to ship... 10 spline couplers all wore out.. blah blah blah...
    Im looking for a way to replace my t350 with the 4 speed and keep my 205... I talked myself out of the 700r4 cus Im cheap and 2 grand admision price before install isn't gona happen...
    As of today i'm only shopping anyway... I like to KNOW what I'm getting into before I start spending my cash and I absolutely have to get this new rear axle in before I start having to ride my mountain bike to work...

    I guess I was hoping for a pot of tranny to t case adapter gold...
     
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    I don't think you will ever be able to find a 4 speed with a 27 splined output to match your current NP205.

    I thought the outpus on the 4 speed were only 10 spline, or 32 spline.

    I thought for sure the yards near you will have the tranny and x-fer combo and include all the pedals etc. for ~$1000 or so. You will still want a new clutch, flywheel, pilot bushing... all this can be another $200 - $500 depending on your engine combo. So a $2000 4 speed AUTO sounds pretty good.

    I got REALLY LUCKY, and found a local yard to me. He set me up with 465/203 with all pedals and shifters for only $700!!! I had to wait 5 weeks for it to come in, but he gave me a 60 day warranty.

    Good luck.

    I did the 203 for obvious reasons below... /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
     
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    I wasn't so concerned about matching my current 205....

    I found a tranny and t case combo in modesto for 250... missing the adapter /forums/images/icons/frown.gif

    AAA trucks probly has this stuff... but I don't feel like greasin up my a$$ to pay for it...

    So I starts thinkin...(very dangerous) what if I get the 4 speed and the corect splined adpters for a doubler.. open my tcase bearing up for the bigger bearing and change the input shaft. So am I smokin crack and wasting my time? I need to go poke around the ODR site... maybe give them boys a call. I know that would be kinda expensive.. but if I go doubler it should add right in..



    Then id have to go rob a newer truck for the hydrolic parts..

    can a 2wd box be converted?

    you know this thing is worse than my harley... just cannot leave it how it is
     
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    wow
    hard to read what the value was on your deal...
    what do you think the pedal and small parts side is worth?
    I have never tried to wrecking yard price a 465/203 combo so have no idea the value they place on pedal etc I know I got the '$25 you pull it' attitude on those parts as they considered it pretty much scrap when I did it.
    harder to find these days as anything over 5 years old is hard to find in the big yards
    I will have to hit the lil ones on my next free day
     
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    Yeah I know what you mean about AAA... and another one in San Jose. They had some outrageous prices for trannys and x-fer. No pedals, no crossmember, no shifters and no warraty for $1k!!! /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

    Try and find a yard that will work with you and get all the parts you want for a specified price... Rancho Chevy (here in Sac) said they could get it all for $1k just six months ago. Not the hydro setup. The hydro setup ran me another $350-400. If your going to do it though, you might as well pay now, do it all at the same time. I figure I shouldn't have to take mine down again for another five years. Depending on how good I am to the 12" disc. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
     
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    M_J, everyone else wanted $1k or more for the same setup. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif

    California is crazy... I could find sm465/205 combos all the time for $400-$500. How to GET it TO ME, was another catastrophe. Similiar to getting it through Canada/US borders. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
     
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    I picked up a 465/205 combo for $400 plus another $100 for shipping fron Texas...I then got a hydro pedal assebly, hydro bellhousing, MC, slave cyl., shift fork for another $150...However, I decided to put all new clutch parts in (new clutch, flywheel, shift fork, master and slave cylinders, hose, TO bearing) all of which drove the price up considerably...But had I used all the origingal parts, I would've converted from auto to manual for $650 and I sold my 700r4 for $500 so the total conversion theoretically could have cost me $150...But I decided I wanted the security of new hydraulic parts and clutch...I didn't want to rip it all apart in 3 month b/c of a fried clutch or a busted shift for...

    So, from what I understand fron you first post, ORD is planing to make or IS making a 32-spline shaft to the 465 so it will mate to a 32-spline (TH400-version?) t-case...That would be sweet...I'd love to ditch my 10-spline oupled setup...especially when the BBC I want around to becoming reality...

    Chris
     
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    </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
    ORD is planing to make or IS making a 32-spline shaft to the 465

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    a short shaft?
    I am looking at using 2wdr 35spline shaft in my project.
    it may be the second variation though as it will drive the cost up considerably to have the splines broached in the coupler
    it all boils down to whether a pair of good 10 spline mainshaft are more then broaching.
    in the long term if I make a kit I hope to use the 2wdr shaft to ease the strain on the parts supply of 4x4 shafts.
    it may make the assembly longer unless I cut the threads off but will have to wiegh the 'no shafts mods required' vs the 1/2" -3/4" potential length savings
     
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    on that note
    my brother mentioned to me, without me asking, that he can bring parts up for me.
    his boss has had him bring auto/harley parts back with him so he has been through the clearing of them
    he is doing weekly Kalifornia runs in a new Pete so not as fast as the airfrieght you went with
    I have been wondering how much you lost on our dealings, dam I hate having a concience

    I am wondering if it is worth my time to start gathering the pedals and parts or if they are too cheap to bother with
    i moved back near the 'Pick n Pull' yard that I got my frame etc from
     
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    Im going to post in the ORD forum specifically about shaft converion options for the 465 and 205....
    I still feel like I dont know sh!t about what Im getting myself into.. so on witht the questions...
     
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    Sorry for the confusion..

    I believe there is a sm465 with a 32 spline output mated to a 208. This version sm465 can be used with the 203 adapter, and 203 range box. I believe ORD is selling a 32 spline input on the 203 (~$150.00 I think). Now you will have a 32 spline input/output all the way to the 205 driveshaft output.

    I didn't want to spend the money on two (2) 32 spline input/ouput pieces (another $300!) ... so I used the stock 10 spline. It was in GREAT shape... so I am running it.

    Talking with ORD about the 10-spline issue, the consensus was: they have lasted over 15 years in typical daily-drivers and 4-wheelers. How this affects the doubler and heavy duty four wheelers seems like the 10 splines should last atleast five years. Good enough for me.
     
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    SOOOOOO that would mean I could get a 465 out of a newer truck... mated to a 208... lose the 208 and, oh boy, I could run a doubler!
    Now if Im not completely out there, this sounds like I could start with the 465 and 205..... after I hit the lotto I can upgrade to a doubler /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
    I could spend years in the junk yards trying to figure which is the hole in the ground...
    I wonder if the 465 with a 208 is hydrolic?

    Hmmmm....
     
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    There you go.

    After a 465 from a 208, you need the bell and clutch linkage. A clutch, a flywheel (assuming you have a auto). TO, disc, etc. etc.

    YOu will still need the 203 adapter ($50)... 203 range box ($100). a 32 spline 203 input gear ($150).
    The doubler ($750)
    A 205 with 32 spline input ($250 +++) My friend JUST SCORED one locally for $250! /forums/images/icons/mad.gif

    Have FUN!
    I did! /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
     
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    Getting back to your original post...

    The adapters can be found at ADVANCE ADAPTERS for some $$$

    I would rather stay with factory stuff myself.
    Special crossmembers and such, does not appeal to me.
     
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    I had looked at their site... I tend to agree about the factory parts. I found another guy in utah that specialises in 4wd parts. You are still in the same boat with him $$$$ If I dont find the pats I need and cannot change what I have then I'll do what I have to do.. The adapters is what I dont find when I'm out kickin the tires.

    Now I need to go through my threads and take notes! I've got more time than money so I don't mind seachin junk yards... I just dont want to buy a buncha crap I don't need..

    thanks all!
     

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