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how-to setup a 14b

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by camiswelding, Jan 9, 2005.

  1. camiswelding

    camiswelding 1/2 ton status

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    After miraculous help from my ck5 brothers helping me get a sticky 14bolt out of its carrier for my detroit install I did a boo boo
    please help me fix it

    the great news is that after some more turns of the adusting nuts the carrier fell out in my hand... the bad news is twofold...

    I lost the count of the adjusting nut turns
    the magic marker came off and I lost the initial location for turn counts

    SOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    How can I properly setup the carrier again if I have lost the original specs???
    thanks
    cam

    (I wont make that mistaKE AGAIN)
     
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    AHHHHH I told ya so :)
    well know ya have the pleasure to learn how to set one up, you will have to get a dial indicator, they cost about $100, or ask to borrow one from a friend, since the pinion is already set up it wont be hard.
     
  3. camiswelding

    camiswelding 1/2 ton status

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    I have a dial indicator,,, I needed it when I did one of my 205 rebuilds... i even have the nice magnetic mount to go with it...

    I am a hi dollar operation... I have electricity AND running water...:)
    cam

    any good article howto's anywhere for setting it up that you know of?
     
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    Has the pinion been moved (fore/aft), or was this just to do a Detroit install?

    IF no pinion movement, then .008-.010" is the usual backlash for a used gear set.
     
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    camiswelding 1/2 ton status

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    detroit install only...on a used gear set.... I have never set a back lash before... any tech article on a how to for the 14b?
     
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    To set the BL you will put the dial indicator foot on the outer edge of one of the teeth on the ring gear. Now you have to hold the pinion from rotating or be care full when doing the measuring.

    Rock the ring gear/carrier back and forward until it just hits the pinoin gear. The difference in depth measurements or the amount of movement is your BL. I would shoot for .008 if it is a used set as you said. If the BL is too little then you have to move the ring gear away form the pinion and vise-versa.
     
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    chief...

    thanks... your description is very helpful... the pic in the k5 tech article wasnt...
    anchors away sir
    cam
     
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    cam you should know better than to call an enlisted man "sir"

    :D
     
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    camiswelding 1/2 ton status

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    I call anyone "educated" sir.... whether he/I was/were a non com or not...


    and anyone who is military is sir unless they tell me otherwise:)


    one of the carrier bearings was iffy so Im waiting for parts for a day... then I get to play machinist with my new dial indicator.... come up here and do it for me wont you?
     
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    pay for my plane ticket and i will be on my way out:D
     
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    ok sorry just playin:o
     
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    For a NEW gearset. Id say check it around .014 or so.
     
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    .014" of backlash is a good way to bust a ring and pinion if you are going to thrash on it. .006- .010 is alot better. Also remember you have to set preload into your carrier bearings before you set your backlash. I can't remember the procedure off the top of my head, but I can get it off All-Data if someone else doesn't have it.
     
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    Well if you set it tighter then it was BEFORE you took it apart, then the pattern is going to be all screwed up. I can guarantee you it was not between .008-.010 when he pulled it apart.
     
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    About .0085" was what I got when I put the RG back in after removing the broken Gov-Loc. Didn't measure it b4 so I've now idea what it was. Would be good to put it back where it was though. Like me, it doesn't sound CamsK5 can do that. It's been to Baja, the PNW, Death Valley, and chased several dezert races since then. No noise or metal in the oil.

    Generically .006 - .008 is what new R&P's set up at, .008 - .010 for resetting used R&P's. There's always exceptions though I don't think the 14bff is one of them.
     
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    Put all new bearings in it yesterday....Im setting it today... going for .008....

    thanks all
    you only have to do it one time... then youre an expert:)
     
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    usually you would pay me chief... to come to cali for the weather and girlies,,, but right about now its so wet and miserable you would show up and turn right around....

    hmm snow and butt ass cold or rain... let me think about this one?

    cam
     
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    I lived in San Diego for over 6 years so i know the "Normal" weather. Hopefully i will be back out there in a year or so.

    Having the BL set at .014 for a used set is not correct unless it was set up wrong in hte first place. I will agree that it should be set to wherte it was before the carrier was removed to allow the gears to stay where they were broken in at.
    My 14FF has well over 100,000 miles on it and the BL when i checked it last week was just over .010. Original 4.56 gears in a 14FF from a CUCV.
     

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