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I just had a California COP tell me the legal limit to lift your truck is

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by BorregoK5, Apr 24, 2002.

  1. BorregoK5

    BorregoK5 1/2 ton status

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    Get this, 33" to the center of your headlights from the ground!!! Well, needless to say, my 4" lift and 33's puts me over that already. I'm looking for another one to get a second opinion! Secondarily, he said that many people have it over this and they just don't bother pulling them over, but it gives them probable cause should they want to. Interesting eh?
     
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    Sounds like BS to me, if I were you I'd lift your rig 12" or so and hang your headlights from the bottom of your bumper..../forums/images/icons/laugh.gif/forums/images/icons/wink.gif
     
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    I think the limit is 54" in Oregon. Although when I talked to someone from my local PD"s traffic dept. they didn't mention it.
     
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    I just got a copy of the vehicle code, unless they've changed it yesterday...

    California Vehicle Code: 24008.5
    No person shall operate any motor vehicle with a frame height or body floor height greater than specified in subdivisions (b) and (c).
    (b) The maximum frame height is as follows:

    Vehicle Type Frame Height
    (1) Passenger vehicles, except housecars ... 23 inches
    (2) All other motor vehicles, including housecars, as follows:

    Up to 4,500 pounds GVWR ......... 27 inches
    4,501 to 7,500 pounds GVWR ..... 30 inches
    7,501 to 10,000 pounds GVWR .... 31 inches

    (c) The lowest portion of the body floor shall not be more than five inches above the top of the frame.
    (d) The following definitions govern the construction of this section:

    (1) "Frame" means the main longitudinal structural members of the chassis of the vehicle or, for vehicles with unitized body construction, the lowest main longitudinal structural members of the body of the vehicle.

    (2) "Frame height" means the vertical distance between the ground and the lowest point on the frame, measured when the vehicle is unladen on a level surface at the lowest point on the frame. Jeeps are in the up to 4500 GVWR category.

    Pick-ups usually fall into the 4,501 to 7,500 GVWR category. Suburbans fall into the next category. Some other sections of the California Vehicle Code that could be incorporated into our new Utah laws are:

    24400 VC.....Headlights must be between 22 and 54" from the ground to the center of the light.

    24402 VC.....Driving/Passing lamps must be 24 to 42" from the ground.

    If he didn't know... why didn't he just say so rather than pull an arbitrary number out of his head. That pisses me off!
     
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    RaisedK5 1/2 ton status

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    Mike, AFAIK the only reg on the books if frame height its something like 24" to teh bottm of teh frame up to 6 or 8,000lbs GVWR and 30" over that GVRW, basically if a cop can stick his baton between the ground and your frame its too high. The headlight requirement really has nothing to do with lift height, thats a requierment for all cars, headlights no higher or lower than X, fogs no higher or lower than X, etc. applies to all vehicles, the lift law is strictly distance from gound to frame, which i am a bit over, as are all the worthless superdutys and Excusions, down in South Orange county that never see dirt, but they look really cool/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif
     
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    Gee that looks familiar.../forums/images/icons/smile.gif

    Rene
     
  8. Grim-Reaper

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    What an idiot. I think bone stock the headlights are at 30 inches or better. In fact I know it is. middle of the side marker on my 75 before the last round of mods was 40 inches. take the 4 inch lift off and 1.5 inches for tires and your at roughly 34 inches and the marker is lower than the headlight!
     
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    What in the hell is the big deal about California?! I'm not knocking you at all, but that state sounds like one giant PIA. You can't change anything with out being labeled as illegal. I'm surprised if you guys can buy any "performance" parts that are legal. Now granted I live in the God forsaken land of Iowa where we spend are time watching the grass blow or breath in the wonderful smells from all of the livestock. One day last week it was 85, the next day was 40. But we can run almost anything you could possibly think of over here.
     
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    Well dont forget to include city ordinances. It was probly a city ordinance that you violated. California gives cities to make a vehicle code seperate from that of the state. In Fremont, where I live in CA, You must have mudflaps with any lift and the maximum legal tire size is 42" They are stupid laws aimed at generating revenue. The max body lift in fremont is 10" Go figure.
     
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    California Laws are a pain in the ass! Vehicle laws, Smog laws, Gun laws and now a new law just passed restricting the modification of exhust systems.

    Here's the scoop for you lawyer types.

    It is as follows:

    27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
    vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
    by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
    with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
    established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
    Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
    exhaust system so modified.

    In a nut shell, you can't modify the stock exhaust system where it emits a noise level higher than what comes with the stock make and model vehicle.

    BILL NUMBER: SB 1081 CHAPTERED
    BILL TEXT

    CHAPTER 92
    FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE JULY 23, 2001
    APPROVED BY GOVERNOR JULY 20, 2001
    PASSED THE ASSEMBLY JULY 2, 2001
    PASSED THE SENATE MAY 31, 2001
    AMENDED IN SENATE MAY 22, 2001
    AMENDED IN SENATE APRIL 16, 2001

    INTRODUCED BY Senator Johannessen

    FEBRUARY 23, 2001

    An act to amend Sections 27150.1, 27150.2, 27150.7, and 27151 of,
    and to repeal Sections 23130, 23130.5, 27150.3, 27150.4, 27150.6 and
    27150.8 of, the Vehicle Code, relating to vehicles.


    LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST


    SB 1081, Johannessen. Exhaust and muffler systems.
    (1) Existing law establishes noise limits for various types of
    motor vehicles based on factors, including, but not limited to, speed
    limit. Existing law establishes different noise limits for speed
    zones of 35 miles per hour or less on level streets.
    This bill would delete these provisions.
    (2) Existing law prohibits any person engaged in a business that
    involves the selling of motor vehicle exhaust systems from selling or
    installing a motor vehicle exhaust system that does not meet
    regulations and standards. Existing law provides that a violation of
    this provision is a misdemeanor.
    This bill would provide that motor vehicle exhaust systems include
    nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
    (3) Existing law requires the Commissioner of the California
    Highway Patrol to conduct a study and to adopt regulations setting
    standards for the certification of exhaust systems, which regulations
    would become effective one year after they are filed with the
    Legislature. Existing law authorizes the commissioner to provide for
    the exemption of vehicular exhaust systems where compliance with the
    regulations would cause an unreasonable hardship without resulting
    in a sufficient corresponding benefit with respect to noise level
    control. Existing law requires the regulations to include provisions
    for the licensing of stations to implement these provisions.
    This bill would require these regulations to provide that exhaust
    systems installed on motor vehicles weighing less than 6,000 pounds
    that emit no more than 95 dbA comply with specified requirements.
    This bill would delete the provisions relating to the study and the
    filing of regulations with the Legislature.
    (4) Existing law authorizes a court to dismiss any action in which
    a person is prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of
    specified provisions relating to noise limits, if certain conditions
    are met.
    This bill would instead authorize a court to dismiss an action in
    which a person is prosecuted for a violation of specified provisions
    concerning the use of mufflers and exhaust systems, if the vehicle is
    equipped with an exhaust system that complies with the regulations
    described in (3).
    (5) Existing law requires manufacturers of motorcycles and
    motorcycle accessories to certify to the Department of the California
    Highway Patrol, prior to the sale of a motorcycle exhaust system,
    that the system is in compliance with the standards and regulations
    adopted by the commissioner.
    This bill would delete this provision.
    (6) Existing law prohibits the modification of exhaust systems to
    amplify or increase the noise emitted such that the system violates
    existing noise limits.
    This bill would provide that for vehicles of less than 6,000
    pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less
    complies with noise limits.


    THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


    SECTION 1. Section 23130 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
    SEC. 2. Section 23130.5 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
    SEC. 3. Section 27150.1 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
    27150.1. On and after the effective date of regulations and
    standards adopted by the commissioner pursuant to Section 27150.2, no
    person engaged in a business which involves the selling of motor
    vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but not limited
    to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a motor
    vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not limited
    to, a muffler, unless it meets those regulations and standards. Motor
    vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not
    limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
    A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
    SEC. 4. Section 27150.2 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
    27150.2. The commissioner shall adopt regulations setting
    standards for vehicular exhaust systems consistent with Article 2.5
    (commencing with Section 27200). The regulations shall include, but
    need not be limited to, the following:
    (a) Provisions for standards for vehicular exhaust systems, based
    on manufacturers' data and subject to any inspections and other
    verification the commissioner may prescribe. The regulations shall
    include provisions specifying that exhaust systems installed on motor
    vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross
    vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, that emit no more
    than 95 dbA when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive
    Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, comply with Sections 27150 and
    27151.
    (b) Provisions for the licensing of stations to implement this
    section and Section 27150.1, and for the denial, revocation, or
    suspension of any license for failure to comply with this section or
    any regulation adopted thereunder.
    The regulations may provide for the exemption of vehicular exhaust
    systems where compliance with the regulations would cause an
    unreasonable hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding
    benefit with respect to noise level control.
    SEC. 5. Section 27150.3 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
    SEC. 6. Section 27150.4 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
    SEC. 7. Section 27150.6 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
    SEC. 8. Section 27150.7 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
    27150.7. A court may dismiss any action in which a person is
    prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or
    27151 if it is found that the vehicle was equipped with an exhaust
    system in compliance with regulations adopted by the commissioner
    pursuant to Section 27150.2, and that the defendant had reasonable
    grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order
    and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not
    operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
    SEC. 9. Section 27150.8 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
    SEC. 10. Section 27151 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
    27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
    vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
    by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
    with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
    established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
    Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
    exhaust system so modified.
    (b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
    vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
    than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
    less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
    Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
    exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
    nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
     
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    Its getting flat out rediculous how every aspect of life somehow has a lawyer attatched to it! Today it rained for the first time in a good while and two cars met each other in the middle of a busy intersection. Now the damage was very minor, scratched bumper on one, ping in the fender on the other... but they left the vehicles dead in the middle of the road blocking all traffic and called a cop.. who attempted to direct traffic around them for nearly an hour which backed up traffic for a couple miles in all directions. Nobody was hurt just a case of stop the world and let me call my lawyer because of the mish mash of legalities you have to swim in everyday... just drive the cars to the side of the road and exchange info people! MAN!
     
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    I'm in the same boat being in Nebraska. No emissions laws, no enforced vehicle modifications restrictions...and to top it all off...no rocks to climb, not much good wheeling unless it rains. I guess that's the tradeoff, huh? We can build our rigs as crazy as we want, as long as we can drive em to Colorado to 'wheel.
     
  14. I live in the Bay Area and my friend has a 77 Chevy Stepside with a 10" Lift and 39.5" TSL's. Cops have pulled him over twice for not having mud flaps, but once he put them on they never questioned him again. On the other hand my other friend has a 87 Chevy K10 with a 15" lift and 38's and he has never been questioned. Also true with my other friend who has a 2001 Ford F-250 with a 15" lift, and 44's and he has not been questions either so I would not worry about it. 80K20
     
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    I've noticed quite a few high lifted trucks running 44's disapear after a week or so here in San Diego.. but I had just assumed it was from running 1/2 ton axles. Areas east of here like Escondido adn Santee get away with it without a problem due to the heightened hot rod industry but in areas like Encinitas and Carsbad where there are more Mercedes and BMW's driving around, they really pressure the lifted trucks. I don't plan on going past the height limit, I'm looking for a low center of gravity anyhow... might still get some big tires though.
     
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    I lived in Cali for about ten years, and it seems that the whole state is run by left leaning liberals that do not connect with the average citizen whatsoever. They think they are making "Nirvana", when in fact they are creating a Nazi state. O.k., I'm off my soapbox.

    John
     
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    You got that right, that's why we call it "The People's Republic of Kalifonia". And other states tell Californians that move there, "Don't Kalifornicate us"
     
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    Yep Washington is full, go home...hehehehe/forums/images/icons/wink.gif
     
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    Well, that sucks to be ya'll. I live out here in south texas, and nowhere in texas do we have a maximum height. We've got people driving bigfoot down the street and everyone's gotta get out of his way! Come on down to texas where the big trucks are!
     
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    <blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

    TEXAS

    Laws concern lighting but not bumper height or even lift blocks. The headlamps must be mounted between 24 and 54 inches from the ground, the taillamps between 15 and 72, and foglamps between 12 and 30.

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    As long as 'Bigfoots' lights fall within spec I guess...

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