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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by dontoe, Nov 10, 2005.
Are those real miniatureized jet engines?
Hmmmm..... jet powed go-kart..... screw the plane, I want the engine!
I wonder what it sounds like
Probably ducted fan engines . http://loke.as.arizona.edu/~ckulesa/plane_types.html
Ducted Fan Models
Text and picture(s) contributed by Martin Lagerstedt, firstname.lastname@example.org For those who like special challenges, you can model jet aircraft with electrics as well! Electric ducted fan models are a new exiting and challenging part of the hobby. Ducted fan models powered by an electric motor have only been possible for a couple of years. Contrary to typical prop planes, where a "slow"-turning, high torque motor is desired, in ducted fan models high RPMs are needed on relatively few nicads. Fortunately, R/C car afficienados use high speed motors for racing purposes often with "only" 6-7 cells. Also, motors used in pylon racers are also frequently suitable for ducted fans.
Why would anyone want to use an electric motor in a DF plane? There are many reasons! First, the fan unit is usually mounted inside the fuselage -- for a gas plane this often means that you have to have a complex, inaccessable fuelsystem with separate fueltanks. The starting procedure of the motors is more complicated -- which is only compounded if you have two fan units as you must work hard to make both run reliably. All this is solved with an electric motor. The fuel problem is solved by having a battery. There are no problems starting the motors and if you run the two (or more) fan units on the same battery pack and speed-controller they will have the same rpm.
Another reason is the sound! With a gas plane you have a loud engine that does not sound scalelike at all. In contrast, the high-revving motor and its corresponding fan create a sound/scream that is very close to a real jet engine (or vacuum cleaner).
The challenge with electric ducted fans is to get the highest thrust from a fan unit/motor/cell combination. After much experimenting with a variety of fan units from all over the world, now several commercial units are available on the market.
The first commercial unit was designed by David Chinery (editor of the Flying sparks column in RCM&E). He first experienced with hairdryers (yes, you read that right) and different car motors. He wanted to use on-the-shelf equipment and not expensive cobalt motors and 20-30 cells. The final design is called the Jet-elec unit and is manufactured by Morley (diameter 63mm). Experiments with this unit have shown that it is best suited for podmounted application as airliners or in profile models. When mounted in a long duct, too much thrust is lost.
Several fan units from Germany are available in the Speed 400 size. These small but high-speed motors are a great match for small twin ducted-fan models.
Kurt Grosse of Electro Jet Technologies has designed three good fanunits. The sizes are: 400 (speed400 or AP29 and 7cells), 540(540 and 7cells) and Cobalt (300-500 watt motor and 10-14 cells).
Recommendations: The 400 size units and the Jet-elec units are perfect for podmounted models and short ducts. If you want to build in your fan unit in your fuselage or in along duct the EJT 540 and EJTCobalt version is more suitable (diameter 89mm).
If you are interested in electric models and want a challenge and people's attention and admiration at your flying field, then build yourself an electric ducted fan model. If you have experiences or want to discuss electric ducted fan please feelfree to contact me or if you want to do it more public post to the newsgroup: rec.models.rc.air
Got link ??
Guess it's back to building my own jet engine....
Nope... those are actual jet engines. I used to be into the R/C thing and there were plenty of those out. A bit pricey though...
Things have improved for the better , when I was little all they had were duct fans
Huh... a model Airbus 380. Kewl.
No kidding, the real one just had its "first flight"
What does something like that cost?
That is just sooooo cooooool! I WANT one!!!
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