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If it was you.

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Z3PR, Mar 21, 2005.

  1. Z3PR

    Z3PR Banned

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    After reading the "" Schiavo: Should she live or die? "" thread, I got thinking, if it was me laying there in that bed, please let me die. So, if it was you laying in that bed, would you want too be kept alive or would you want too die ??
     
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    after 15 years i think die??? i don't know. there was a guy i think in kentucky that was in a coma for 20 years and he finaly came out of it. he talked a little slow and still couldn't move,BUT.:dunno: not everyone is the same.
     
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    Let's just fast forward and appoint a Eugenics Czar and get on with it, if you all want to pull her tube.
     
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    In accordance with my wishes, which I have taken great pains to ensure everyone in my family who has a say knows, I would have never been in that state for 15 years. The "plug" would have been pulled long ago.
     
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    I don't know if my reply in this thread will hold up in court . My wife and I have talked about it and we need to prepare something legally .

    Neither of us would want to be kept alive brain dead with only a sliver of our primordial brain functioning .

    Divide my stuff amongst family and friends and let me go ..... and if anyone hacks up my prettier truck to the point of not being regonized I will haunt you forever :k5: :k5:
     
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    The Schiavo thing has really provoked a lot of thought for me personally in the last few days. I've developed some further thoughts on death and other things. Maybe one day I'll write about it...

    Quite a conditional situation...

    If I were an old man and succumbing to a disease that was crippling my body slowly but surely, I'd probably ask for a DNR after I made my peace with everyone I needed to.
    If I was injured tonight commuting home, and garaunteed, iron-clad, to never be cognizant, or even conscious again, I don't see much purpose in keeping my body functional, unless my organs could be used to keep someone else alive and keeping me going was better than keeping them on ice. Heck, if my heart could keep my son/daughter/wife alive, I'd give it to them without a second thought (but I sure would be pretty sad about it).
    But what I've learned is that there can almost never be such a garauntee unless it's like an accident victim and physical pieces of brain are permanently missing. A LOT of people have inexplicably "woken up", partially recovered through therapy, or even just a little recovered from massive brain damage when they were already diagnosed as permanently in their damaged state. Maybe not as many as have NOT recovered, but when there's a chance of "I don't know", I wouldn't want the plug pulled. I'll get to where I'm going eventually, but for now, I'd like to think this life is rich and worth living in any capacity I can be aware of.

    The brain is still a huge mystery to medicine/science. They can make statistical guesses, but some situations are too unique to use probable results of other situations. And with as many doctors as there have been that have screwed up their diagnosis' throughout history, would you want to maybe give up a possibility of recovery because a doctor made an error?

    Death and people dying always strike up a lot of introspection in me. So many people are born, and so many die everyday, the sheer numbers are staggering and numbing. Putting an individual value and face on, say, 3000 people is almost impossible for an individual. But when you change the focus, and put yourself among the 3000, the value and perspective becomes different. Will it change your handling of the 3000? Maybe, maybe not, but experience changes perspective's like nothing else.

    I've never been in a situation or had a voice where I could be faced with the option to end life support for someone. The few people I know who have died in hospital beds did so naturally.
     
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    Terry Schiavo is (was) not on life support. She was simply being fed through a tube b/c she could not eat food on her on. When her feeding tube was disconnected on Friday she did not immediately die as would someone who was on life support. I see many children in similar conditions b/c of my job. Children born with mental and physical handicaps. Many of them are fed through a tube and have very limited cognitive abilities if any at all. The difference b/t these children and Terry Schiavo is that their feeding tubes are disconnected so they can be moved to go places w/ their parents, school, etc. The tubes are connected when they need to be fed and then disconnected again when they are done. What would happen if one of these parents decided that since their child did not have the cognition of a normal person they should not live. What if they then decided NOT to connect their child's feeding tube so their child could be nourished. These parents would be convicted of murder. What's the difference b/t these children and Terry Schiavo other than age?
     
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    Brain function.

    My bosses kid has a feeding tube, perfectly normal otherwise
     
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    Well for me, I'm petrified of death. Keep me alive at all costs if you can. Boy am I sounding pathetic lately. Gonna have to do somethin about that.
     
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    I would want to die, but not by starvation. I would prefer to be simply put to sleep, unfortunately assisted suicide is not legal in the US.


    I am in no way upset about the ending her life part, it's the potentiality of a cruel and painful death.
     
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    I routinely see MANY children who don't have what you call "brain function". Your boss' child is very fortunate. I'm glad she is normal other than her feeding tube. However, children with Rhett's syndrom, Cerebral Palsy, etc. are not normal other than their feeding tubes. They have no more "brain function" than Terry Schiavo IF they even have that much. Many of these children will never speak, walk, or really even know they are in this world. Life is precious and should be preserved at all costs. These children I see have the finest care in the world provided to them. Why not Terry Schiavo?
     
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    They're cute little kids, have to save the cute little kids
     
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    like i said, i WOULD NOT want to make this decision. MAN i;m stuck thinking now..................................
     
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    my second cousin twice removed,NO KIDDING. was 10 years old in a car accident and she never grew in size or mind .that i know of. we were the same age.she lived about 9 years . she layed there like an infant,but her parents took her to every function like a normal child.what troopers. i would hope i would have that drive. 10 years old and she could fit on a chair.the seat part that is.
     
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    Two things:

    Assisted suicide is (was/ may be, not sure which) legal in Oregon. The doctor can provide the means, but the patient must commit the act.

    And RJ, I get the feeling I'm with you on this one.
     
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    You're absolutely right - life is precious, and it should be preserved. But, where do you draw the line between life and merely existing? Is the line drawn when an adult has to be diapered, because their brain is incapable of controlling voluntary elimination of waste? Is the line drawn when a person must be fed through a tube, because their brain is incapable of the coordinated muscle movements needed to chew and swallow?
    In my personal opinion (which of course means nothing outside of this website...), the body of the person once known as Terri Schiavo is merely existing. What was once Terri is now gone, destroyed when her brain was starved of blood (and therefore oxygen) in 1990. For FIFTEEN YEARS, she has been examined by all sorts of doctors and specialists, probably hundreds, from both sides of the battle. The result? Nothing... because there's still nothing we can do about severe brain injuries.


    So, once again... what's the moral to this story?
    Make your wishes known to your family, and make it legal. Go see a lawyer and get a living will once you've told your family. They're not expensive, and as we've seen in this case, it can save all kinds of heartbreak, hatred, discontent, and money.
     
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    My living will says. Kill me, cut me up, and pass me all around.
     
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    My personal opinion:

    If I were to become a "vegetable" I would rather be let go of and die than remain a taxing burden on society. Just do as the feller above me said -- Cut me up and pass me around :)

    There are lots of complex moral arguments for both sides of the argument. I am personally more inclined to the idea of letting go. Imagine the costs of keeping Terri alive for 15 years. Now, imagine if her parents had let her go right away at the beggining, imagine all the different people who could have been actually helped with the resources spent on keeping a vegetable breathing. I is extremely difficult to place the definition of life, where to draw that line so to speak. But I personally agree with whoever it was who said that we must define what is living, and what is existing. If they are unable of communicating their beliefs in any way, then I personally define that as existing rather than living. I am in no way in support of killing disabled people, but I am again, not particularly supportive of keeping people who are basically living dead alive, expending resources that could be used to positively help someone else who has a bit more of a chance.

    Again, this is all my personal opinion, and in no way am I saying it is entirely right :)
     

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