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  1. 4x4dreamer

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    Facts on Who Benefits From Keeping Saddam Hussein In Power

    by The Heritage Foundation
    WebMemo #217

    February 28, 2003

    France

    a.. According to the CIA World Factbook, France controls over 22.5 percent of Iraq's imports.[1] French total trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since 1996, according to the United Nations.[2] In 2001 France became Iraq's largest European trading partner.

    b.. Roughly 60 French companies do an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with Baghdad annually under the U.N. oil-for-food program.[3]

    c.. France's largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated a deal to develop the Majnoon field in western Iraq. The Majnoon field purportedly contains up to 30 billion barrels of oil.[4]

    d.. Total Fina Elf also negotiated a deal for future oil exploration in Iraq's Nahr Umar field. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the country's reserves.[5]

    e.. France's Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76 million contract to rehabilitate Iraq's telephone system.[6]

    f.. From 1981 to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraq's arms imports.[7]

    GERMANY

    a.. Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[8]
    b.. It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germany's "firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq." It was also reported that over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.[9]
    c.. During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.[10]
    d.. In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.[11]
    e.. German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam Hussein's Al Fao Supercannon project.[12]

    RUSSIA

    a.. According to the CIA World Factbook, Russia controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq's annual imports.[13] Under the U.N. oil-for-food program, Russia's total trade with Iraq was somewhere between $530 million
    and $1 billion for the six months ending in December of 2001.[14]
    b.. According to the Russian Ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, new contracts worth another $200 million under the U.N. oil-for-food program

    are to be signed over the next three months.[15]
    c.. Soviet-era debt of $7 billion through $8 billion was generated by arms sales to Iraq during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war.
    d.. Russia's LUKoil negotiated a $4 billion, 23-year contract in 1997 to rehabilitate the 15 billion-barrel West Qurna field in southern Iraq.
    Work on the oil field was expected to commence upon cancellation of U.N.
    sanctions on Iraq. The deal is currently on hold.[16]
    e.. In October 2001, Salvneft, a Russian-Belarus company, negotiated a $52 million service contract to drill at the Tuba field in Southern Iraq.[17]
    f.. In April 2001, Russia's Zaruezhneft company received a service contract to drill in the Saddam, Kirkuk, and Bai Hassan fields to rehabilitate
    the fields and reduce water incursion.
    g.. A future $40 billion Iraqi-Russian economic agreement, reportedly signed in 2002, would allow for extensive oil exploration opportunities
    throughout western Iraq.[18] The proposal calls for 67 new projects, over a 10-year
    time frame, to explore and further develop fields in southern Iraq and the Western
    Desert, including the Suba, Luhais, West Qurna, and Rumaila projects. Additional
    projects added to the deal include second-phase construction of a pipeline running
    from southern to northern Iraq, and extensive drilling and gas projects. Work on
    these projects would commence upon cancellation of sanctions.[19]
    h.. Russia's Gazprom company over the past few years has signed contracts worth $18 million to repair gas stations in Iraq.[20]
    i.. The former Soviet Union was the premier supplier of Iraqi arms. From 1981 to 2001, Russia supplied Iraq with 50 percent of its arms.[21]

    CHINA
    a.. According to the CIA World Factbook, China controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq's annual imports.[22]
    b.. China National Oil Company, partnered with China North Industries
    Corp., negotiated a 22-year-long deal for future oil exploration in the
    Al Ahdab field in southern Iraq.[23]
    c.. In recent years, the Chinese Aero-Technology Import-Export Company (CATIC) has been contracted to sell "meteorological satellite"
    and "surface observation" equipment to Iraq. This contract was approved by
    the U.N. oil-for-food program.[24]
    d.. CATIC also won approval from the U.N. in July 2000 to sell $2 million worth of fiber optic cables. This and similar contracts approved
    were disguised as telecommunications gear. These cables can be used for
    secure data and communications links between national command and control
    centers and long-range search radar, targeting radar, and missile-launch units, according to U.S. officials. In addition, China National Electric Wire & Cable
    and China National Technical Import Telecommunications Equipment Company are

    believed to have sold Iraq $6 million and $15.5 million worth of communications
    equipment and other unspecified supplies, respectively.[25]
    e.. According to a report from SIPRI, from 1981 to 2001, China was the second largest supplier of weapons and arms to Iraq, supplying over 18
    percent of Iraq's weapons imports.[26]

    [1]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook

    [2]Jon Talton, "French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle", The Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003.

    [3]Jon Talton, "French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle," The Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003.

    [4]Kenneth Katzman, Iraq: Oil-for-Food Program, International Sanctions, and Illicit Trade, Congressional Research Service, September 26, 2002.

    [5]Kenneth Katzman, Iraq: Oil-for-Food Program, International Sanctions, and Illicit Trade, Congressional Research Service, September 26, 2002.

    [6]Evelyn Iritani, "Hussein's Government Signs Lucrative Contracts, Especially with Nations that Oppose the U.S. Led Effort to Oust the Regime,"

    The Los Angeles Verdana,Arial,Helvetica, November 11, 2002.

    [7]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001," at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf
    http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf

    [8]David R. Sands, "France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties," The Washington Verdana,Arial,Helvetica, February 20, 2003.

    [9]David R. Sands, "France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties," The Washington Verdana,Arial,Helvetica, February 20, 2003.

    [10]"Africa Analysis-Trade Points Way to Peace", The Financial
    Verdana,Arial,Helvetica: Asia Africa Intelligence Wire, November 19, 2002.

    [11]Faye Bowers, "Driving Forces in War-Wary Nations: The Stances of France, Germany, Russia and China Are Colored by Economic and National
    Interests," Christian Science Monitor, February 25, 2003.

    [12]"Helping Saddam Rearm," The Wall Street Journal, October 11, 2002.

    [13]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook

    [14]Testimony provided by Ariel Cohen to the House International Relations Committee, "Russia and the Axis of Evil: Money, Ambition and
    U.S. Interests," February 26, 2003.

    [15]Nelli Sharushkina, "Russia Plays the Field in Iraq-Mixed Signals Worry Baghdad," Energy Intelligence Briefing, February 5, 2003.

    [16]Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, "In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key Issue," The Washington Post, September 15, 2002.

    [17]Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, "In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key Issue," The Washington Post, September 15, 2002.

    [18]Scott Peterson, "Russia's Newest Tie to Iraq: Moscow Is Set to Sign a $40 billion Economic Pact with Baghdad Next Month," Christian Science

    Monitor, August 20, 2002.

    [19]"Mideast Tensions to Delay Iraq Iraqi-Russian Signing," Energy Compass, April 19, 2002.

    [20]Dmitry Zhdannikov, "Russian's Grim About Working Under Saddam," The Houston Chronicle, April 14, 2002.

    [21]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001," at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf
    http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf .

    [22]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook

    [23]Trish Saywell, "Oil: The Danger of Deals with Iraq," Far Eastern Economic Review, March 6, 2003.

    [24]Kenneth R. Timmerman, "Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam," Insight on the News, March 4, 2003.

    [25]Kenneth R. Timmerman, "Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam," Insight on the News, March 4, 2003.

    [26]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001," at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf
    http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf
     
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    Re: In case anyone is wondering why these countries oppose the Unite d Stat

    i got it in an email last week

    worth repeating, just so we all understand.
     
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    What is Canada's excuse??? /forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif

    Weak minded Prime Minister, bunch of pansy fags making policy...

    Rene
     
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    OOPS!! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I can delete if need be. Please let me know.
     
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    Re: In case anyone is wondering why these countries oppose the Unite d Stat

    no no, people need to see this.
     
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    so what you are saying is that the US attack is motivated purely by the desire to XXXX up Russia's and China's oil supply to put a strangle hold on the world energy source and therefore back them into a corner causing them to do more irrational things to further destabilize the world.

    warmongering.

    wonder what US would do if Russia or China stepped in to block their flow of oil?
     
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    Re: In case anyone is wondering why these countries oppose the Unite d States\'

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    so what you are saying is that the US attack is motivated purely by the desire to XXXX up Russia's and China's oil supply to put a strangle hold on the world energy source and therefore back them into a corner causing them to do more irrational things to further destabilize the world.

    warmongering.

    wonder what US would do if Russia or China stepped in to block their flow of oil?

    [/ QUOTE ]nope, our goal is to get the weapons of mass destruction that these trade partners are willing to ignore because they have multi-billion dollar stakes in Not `XXXXing' with iraq.

    Edit: you also forget that the US is probably the highest purchaser of oil in the oil for food program... we're blasting ourselves in the foot for this too. besides, whats wrong with war mongering?
     
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    So if you know these weapons exist in Iraq why didnt you step forward with any evidense?
    Collin Powell would have really liked something to show their existence rather then looking a fool in front of the world when he showed up with NOT A FAWKING THING at the UN.
     
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    Ah, let's see. We've been finding new chemical suits and masks all over the place. That is what most people call a CLUE!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    evidence???isnt that why we went there in the first place to prove to all of the american hating world that they exist???
     
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    now think for a sec.
    where did you find these items?
    in storage.
    now if he was deploying them you might have a 'clue'.

    lots of clues but no hard evidense because he is fresh out of the nasty stuff America sold him
    now if we have a look at what American troops have been authorized to deploy we will see a long list of nasty weapons of mass distruction.
    heck we have even seen the Gov use them on its own citizens in Waco when they gased the women and children with cyanide
    nasty stuff how it causes the muscles to contract snapping the bones of the victims
     
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    lots of clues but no hard evidense because he is fresh out of the nasty stuff America sold him
    now if we have a look at what American troops have been authorized to deploy we will see a long list of nasty weapons of mass distruction.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    And you have proof of sale from America to Saddam where? I guess you forgotten about the nuke reactor that Israel destroyed, built by France. The long guns that he had at one time, built by the Germans. He's got the chemicals, we just haven't found them yet.

    I guess you have never heard of the phrase, "prepositioned?" Look it up. The stocks of suits (which you should learn about their capabilities, probably don't last any longer than the ones I had) and masks shows that Saddam is willing to protect some of his fighting force against his own chemicals to further aid his fighting capability so it will last just a little longer.

    I really don't see where y'all are coming from since 1. Canada ain't involved and 2. you haven't provided any proof, clues and/or innuedo to aid your argument. All I have to do is listen to a liberal candya** who doesn't believe in the defense of their rights and their nation and what you say is the exact same thing.

    Furthermore, I guess it's not a worthy cause to ya even though we are going up against an enemy who kills their own people. I guess you haven't heard about the American POWs that were executed (Geneva Convention violation, oh wait only the US has to abide by it), or the journalists that are disappearing right and left, the Iraqi soldiers who are firing on civilians trying to leave the area, or the Iraqi soldiers who are using kids and women as human shields, or the Iraqis who are holding guns to heads of soldiers so they will fight? Guess stuff like that means nothing to ya.

    That's a sad commentary and furthermore, since your Canadian and all and your government won't support us in this fight, I would reckon to say that all of this going on really is none of your damn business, or are ya just pissed cause the United States Military isn't unionized?
     
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    saddam is a world class a-hole and he has to go. the regime in iraq is every bit as evil as any that has graced the earth. Say what you want about the nazis, they didnt machine gun / mortar their own people who were just running to get food/water... nor did they hold kids up in front of their own soldiers so the enemy wouldnt shoot at them. Not saying the nazis are in any way "good guys", just pointing out that the regime in iraq is guilty of unspeakable attrocities and is entirely morally undefendable. The sad fact is we probably dont even know about half of the evil things saddam has done within his own boarders, much like we didnt know the full extent of the Nazis evil until we defeated them in 1945. If you do the math, saddam has killed almost 500 civilians a day via starvation since 1998.... who knows how many more have been executed, maimed, raped etc during that time. Our war on iraq is killing far less civilians per day than their own regime was even if you believe the numbers the iraqi dis-information ministry is spewing out.... so dont tell me that all of this is wrong because civilians are dying, the numbers just dont support that arguement. When we are done with saddam, there wont be a regime there that will starve/torture/execute/rape etc and all of those people who would have been victims under saddam will be alive and comparivitively free... and that will be a good thing.

    now i know what you're thinking... the old "what about korea or iran?" arguement... dont worry, we'll get to them is short order. Korea has nukes already (thanks Klinton/China!) so all we can do there is pressure them diplomatically/economically and hope that they (like russia) collapse/reform... and in Iran there is already a younger generation that is pushing that nation towards reform... we'll help them any way we can and they can/will change the face of Iran for us as they come of age and to power. Whatever happens in other countries in the world though, its no defense of the evil nature of saddam and his cronies to say "what about <insert country here>?!??!"

    finally, we dont need canadas (or any1 elses) approval or permission to defend ourselves from perceived threats. You guys can sit up there in the snow and enjoy the safety provided by oceans and the US and watch your hockey... leave this defense stuff up to us. This is 21st century warfare and the yahoos in france etc are still thinking 20th century strategy. France has a history of being behind-the-times with respect to defense issues. If anything, France disagreeing with your defense strategy probably means you have a good one! Jokes aside, the point is we have to do what we fell is necessary for our own defense. That is the right of all soverign (sp, its early) nations.

    j
     
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    yahoos in france etc are still thinking 20th century strategy.

    [/ QUOTE ]
    The art of surrendering is older than that. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
     

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