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In the name of open - mindedness ( political thread )

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by 4by4bygod, Feb 26, 2007.

  1. 4by4bygod

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    Barak Obama is here in cleveland tonight.. I'm going to listen to his speech being simulcast on the radio in about a half hour.

    I expect him to be articulate and bright.. oh, and clean, too..

    See how long it takes me to lose my temper and shut it off..

    the radio station just got done finding some political science student, and asked her "why has obama changed you from a republican to a democrat?".. she says - " because, like his message appeals to everyone, and includes like everybody".. she sounded about 15...

    there's some deep political insight there.. here's more " man on the street" interviews:

    "why do you like obama"? - "we need a change!"

    "What about his plan for iraq"? - " we need a change! he'll change things!

    " Is he able to win the war"? - " we need to bring the troops home"..

    I normally don't participate in self inflicted suffering ( other than watching cleveland sports teams ), but as crazy horse said, " it is good to know what the enemy is thinking"..

    I wonder if kucinich will show up..
     
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    Ten minutes into the speech, and he's hit all the democrat talking points.. the guy sounds like he's running for student council president..

    I need a beer..
     
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    Awright..he's finally done..

    the guy sounds as simple as his supporters..

    I spent the whole half hour of his speech waiting to hear a verb.. or an original idea... instead, I heard a flaming leftist in the kerry/kennedy mold.. in fact, he plagarized john edwards 2004 speeches quite a bit..

    in a nutshell, his main themes are:

    he guarantees universal health care, we need to cut and run from iraq, republicans are evil, america is screwed up, elect me, and I'll change everything...the end..

    This guy is as overrated as donovan mcnabb...he's a great speaker, as long as you are comparing him to gore or kerry.. Reagan he isn't..
     
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    The only reason Obama is out there saying crap and the press is going gaga over him. Is because hillary needs someone easy to beat in the primaries. So she can look like a real wiener. Because she overcame a formidable and unknown opponent with no experience. He is just a sacrificial lamb.
     
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    Oh this makes me laugh, the dems talk big but with no plans, hey wait that sounds like most politicians. I voted mostly democratic in our state elections but then again an Idaho democratic is like a massachusets repulican.
     
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    I get the impression that he is a great speaker and would do very well if he had a message. That seems to be what you are saying also, and appears to be his current problem. People like that can be dangerous i if they hit the right chord.
     
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    Typical "college boy". Hasn't done **** in his life, but somehow has all the answers.

    John
     
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    I don't like the guys views, but he has a degree from Columbia, a law degree from Harvard where he was president of the Harvard Law Review. Successfully practiced law and is currently a US senator. I don't know what the definition of "****" is, but I wouldn't mind having at least some of his resume.
     
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    Welcome to a 4 trillion dollar budget and the biggest debt/deficits of all time!

    Mogadishu x eleventy billion. Good plan, the arabs/persians will really respect us then!

    :rolleyes: If they were, he'd be dead already.

    oh brother. Economy has been doing so well that last few years its silly. I know my funds have been rollin', unemployment is looooow, interest rates for home buying are looooow, home ownership is at an all time high etc etc etc. In short, any "change", especially in the direction of socialism, will be little more than economic suicide.

    I still can't figure out why people think the economy was better under Klinton. More people are working now, than then. More people own their own homes now... stocks are higher... borrowing rates lower. The Klinton economy got a huge boost for an economic bubble (dot coms to the moon baby!)... for the most part it wasn't even real economic growth, it was just a massive over estimation of the dotcoms worth. When it poped in 1999-2001 the markets were ****ed. Nasdaq lost what, half its value in 6 months? (Imagine if that happened over the next 6 months.... think the media wouldn't be blaming Bush?!?!) Of course by then, the Klinton's homies in the media had already taught the sheeple that Klinton was the best economist of all time. :rolleyes:

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    Woopie he's a lawyer. I've met more people than I care to remember that have went through college and have a degree in this, that, and the other, but very little experience to back it up, which pretty much means they don't know ****

    John
     
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    Experiance doing what? Making law? I'm not saying that he couldn't have more life experiance, but if you are going to draft law and policy for a living, his resume looks pretty good to me.

    Speaking of, just for fun, have you looked at either Bush's or Clinton's resume lately?
     
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    C'mon, Chad, all lawyers are idiots, don't you know????:whistle: :rotfl:
     
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    You may have a point there.:D
     
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    Several years ago, after my mother had received her doctorate, asked me two questions in succession that made me realize the incredible failings of our educational system today. First, in reference to some grant she was funded and was trying to remember the amount, asked me "which is bigger, one hundred thousand or one million?" I answered "uh..... that'd be a million mom". A few minutes later, after having lived in Florida more than 2 years, asked me which ocean it was we live next to. And she had a PhD next to her name. :eek1:

    Politics today, what a sham. We vote in who we want? Right. We vote in who they let us vote for. I find it hard to believe the last few presidents (and speakers of the house, majority leaders, etc) have really been the cream of the crop in this country. Its the good old boy system. Look at Perot. His first electrion receive what, like 20% of the vote. 4 years later when it was time to hand out federal campaign funds, he received something like 3% of the money. Nah, the system isn't set up to keep the establishment in power.... naaaahhh. :rolleyes:

    Obama's resume, who cares. How many people here know when the US govt was formed, the notion of a full-time professional politician wasn't even considered. Our govt was suppose to be made up of elected officials from our society who take time out of their lives to serve, and make things better. Today? Today we breed these slime ball liars (oops I mean lawyers) and arrogant/out-of-touch rich fat cats to live an easy lifestyle of being above the law.

    Did you know congressman and senators do not have to abide by their own laws? No smoking in public places? Ha, they do it all the time. Speeding, acting like they own the road... again, done all the time. If they are above these relatively minor laws, what else are they above?

    We need a 3 party system, the Brits got that part right. In today's climate, you are either on one side of the aisle, or the other. Too often these days it boils down to you are on the republican side of an issue, or the democratic side. Too rarely is it about whats right or wrong, best or worst for the country or its people, and too often is it about walking in step with 'your' party. A thrid party would be able to step in and say 'to hell with who is on what political side here, THIS is what is best for the USA and that's why we are endorsing it'. This third party would gain power, the others would diminish until they changed their ways, its a self policing system. But our system is you are either with us, or against us... and then spin the view on your stance to imply its benefit for the USA.

    Politicians, throw em all out and start over. Rat bastards.
     
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    Now there is something we can all agree on.

    I dont care if its a democrat or republican....they are pretty much all rich boys who inheret wealth and are way out of touch with the average voter...because they have never actually been "average."
    -Harrison
     
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    Sounds like you know what you're talking about :rolleyes: :doah: .

    I ask you:
    Using accurate numbers, what percent of Congress (House and Senate) are first generation wealthy, what percent is married-into wealthy, and what percent is inherited wealth?

    I will submit to you the smallest percent will be married-into wealth, followed by inherited wealth, and the largest percent by far will be first generation wealth.
    Meaning they earned their wealth!!

    So money is not the issue, IMHO :D .

    I believe the biggest problem with Congress is not their wealth, but the fact that they become career politicians.

    You don't have to be wealthy to be a politician, but most gets seduced by the power that they hold as an elected official.

    Ask my hero and former Representative 'Duke' Cunningham about the power of the 'Dark Side' :( .
     
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    Kerry married into ca$h. What a douche. :thumb:

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    Life experience in general. Going to school and having degrees does not make you "smart". Sorry, this is something that get's my goat. Someone can go straight from high school to college, get a four year degree, and somehow be more qualified than someone who's been in their field for twenty years!?! Wrong! We as a society put too much emphasis on what degree someone has, as opposed to their experience. I see it all too often.

    This Obama has no experience being a politician, and not a good amount of experience at life in general it seems from the sound of him.

    As for Bush and Clinton, Obama isn't even in the same league as far as experienced diplomats and politicians are concerned. College/book smarts does not equal smart. You cannot teach common sense.

    John
     
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    Obama doesn't have anything new, and I haven't seen any amazing fresh revolutionary ideas from him. He's a talking head.
    But he and his supporters know if you say it enough, everyone will start to believe you, so they say over and over how he'll be a great change and he has all the exciting new ideas. And people who don't want to bother learning about him will vote for him as the amazing new rising star.


    I'm wary of anyone raised in a muslim country, or from a muslim family. Islam's goal is world domination, and part of their plan to take over countries is by silently sliding into the political and social systems, deception is completely allowed and encouraged in the Koran.
    If he's not a muslim, he doesn't have anything to bring to the table anyway.
    Besides all that, I'm not totally comfortable with his floating around the world in his youth. I'd expect the president to be ridiculously nationalist, but raise an eyebrow at someone raised in muslim countries, whose guardian (mother)had opportunities to return to the U.S. and didn't.
     
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    If one of those IDIOTS (Hillary or Obama) gets elected i'm moving to Mexico and learning to speak spanish then come back cause i'll have more rights.
     

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