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Is this computer worth it?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by fender, Feb 6, 2003.

  1. fender

    fender Registered Member

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    INTEL CELERON 1.7 GHZ RETAIL BOX (400MHZ, 128K CACHE)
    256MB SDRAM PC133
    ECS P4S5MG (INTEGRATED VIDEO, SOUND, LAN, USB 2.0)
    MAXTOR 60GB 7200RPM ATA133 2MB 8.5MS
    INTEGRATED VIDEO ON MOTHERBOARD
    PANASONIC 1.44MB 3.5" WHITE FACE
    INTEGRATED SOUND ON MOTHERBOARD
    MSI 52X CD ROM
    INTEGRATED LAN ON MOTHERBOARD
    17" (308HP) ATX TOWER CASE W/ 300W (GRAY)
    180W PMPO SPEAKERS (WHITE)
    WIN98 PS/2 KEYBOARD
    PS2 WHEEL MOUSE
    Total : $428.00 CND or approx $280 USD

    It's new BTW
     
  2. 75-K5

    75-K5 3/4 ton status

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    That price sounds about fair. Case, power supply, and processor can easily add up to that much. You may want to splurge on getting a little more memory after you get it though. I'd recommend at least 512MB, especially if you're going to run windows XP and since you have integrated video and sound. Those things rob memory like crazy. The rest looks good though. The memory isn't a pressing issue, just wait till you see a special at some store for memory, then go for it. Just make sure it matches the kind you already have.
     
  3. Shaggy

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    <font color="green"> Looks like an extremely basic system wrapped around a low-end kind-of fast processor and a largish hard drive. My opinion is that people place way too much value on processor speed and not nearly enough on things like quality components and especially the amount of RAM. It looks like just about everything is onboard, sound, video and the NIC. An OK system for the money, but I'd try to find something with better components and a slower processor for the same kind of money. The Celeron lacks the L2 Cache that the better processors have, so even though it's rated at 1.7 you'll never get the kind of performance that you can get out of a 1.7 P4 or Athlon.</font color>
     
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    I agree for the most part with what Shaggy said, although I have some further facts to share w/ you about that system:

    Windows 98 - No Fu*king way! It's 2003 brother.
    400FSB - This is almost un-upgradeable. Intel is already deprecating the 533 which I'm running on now.
    Integrated GFX - I hope you NEVER game w/ this!
    PC133 - This is a pretty dated flavor of SDRAM - like the 400FSB.

    It all boils down to what you plan to use the puter for. My brother still uses an eMachine 333Mhz Celeron to get on the web, write papers, and play some games up through Mechwarrior 4. This $280 system would make that old eMachine look really crappy.

    On the other hand, I got a Dell that I found on one of the deals sites(I build, not buy but this deal was WAY too good to pass up) Inspiron 4550 w/:

    P4 2.4GHz (up to 2.8 although a 3.06 will be out soon)
    128MB DDR 333Mhz (I promptly added 512MB for $150)
    40 GM ATA100 7200 RPM Drive (no idea what brand)
    40X CDRW
    USB 2.0
    NVidia GeForce4MX 420 64MB DDR
    Floppy
    Onboard Sound
    Onboard NIC
    15" LCD Monitor
    1 Yr Warranty
    Windows XP Home
    Plenty of other crap that I put on a shelf w/ all of the other 'plenty of other crap' /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

    $608 Shipped
     
  5. fender

    fender Registered Member

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    I don't plan on playing any games...maybe something from 5 years ago once in a while. I know that the ram is crap, but compared to the 133mhz comp that I'm using now, I'm sure I'll be satisfied. I don't really want to spend over 350 US for a comp.

    All the ones I looked at which had a decent draphics and sound cards were way more expensive. So for me It's pretty useless to spend another 200 dollars for things I'll barely use. So 280 is a pretty good deal for what I'm getting right?

    Oh yeah, I got no problem with using win98...I don't really like XP anyways.
     
  6. TX Mudder

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    I think I'd spend the $500 total and get better stuff from newegg.com.
    However, with a bdget of just 280 it would be hard to beat that system.
    The number one sucky thing about that system is the onboard video. It's just not worth even bothering to use it. Disable it and run a video card - hopefully you have an AGP slot. A kick ass video card can easily run more than the total price of your computer, so don't try to get the greatest. I just sold a 64MB kyro on ebay for like $35 and it would have been ideal for a system like that.
    #2 sucky thing is the OS. Win98 sucks. Might as well load Dos 6.22 in my opinion. You want Windows 2000 or Windows XP. Both are based on the NT architecture and not the legacy dos architecture that 98/95/me is based on. You probably have a friend that would burn you a copy, but that would be illegal and the FBI will bust down your door and arrest you as soon as they bust in the door of the other 200,000,000 people doing it first.
    All in all, that's a fair price for a decent computer.
    -- Mike
     
  7. fender

    fender Registered Member

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    What about this one? Which one is more upgradeable?

    AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (OEM)
    AthlonXP - ECS K7SEM-266 w/video, sound &amp; lan (SDR)
    SDRAM (133MHz) 256M
    3D Video onboard (Maximum 64MB shared)
    Maxtor 40GB 7200rpm
    1.44MB
    10/100 Ethernet Integrated
    Cdrom - Aopen 52x CD Drive
    AC97 Audio on board
    Case - ATX 17" 300W
    Speakers - 180W
    Win98 Keyboard PS2
    Scroll Mouse PS2

    same price
     
  8. MudFrog

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    On the Ahtlon system. Scrap the ECS mobo and get an ASUS A7N266-VM and some PC2100 DDR memory, then you will have a decent system.
     
  9. TX Mudder

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    I don't like that motherboard.
    Get a cheap one that will allow use of DDR 266 RAM. Also get one with some overclocking abilities. You don't need to pay more than about $65 for it.
    The athlon XP 1700 (1.47 g) are overclocking really well. You can immediately run the multiplier up to 12 and even with pc2100 memory should still be able to put the fsb up to the mid 140s and be rock steady. IF overclocking makes you nervous, then don't bother and still have a good fast processor in the 1700. But again, get one that will allow DDR memory. It is a big jump from SDR.
    Onboard video will really choke you down even just running the GUI. Buy a cheap 32 or 64 MB video card.
    256MB will suffice. As always 512 would be better, but you can always spend the $45 later and upgrade it.

    Again, win98 is for the birds. Get windows 2000 - it doesn;t look like funky XP.

    -- Mike
     
  10. TX Mudder

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    For cheap video cards, look here:

    Video Cards

    $20 or $30 spent on a cheap card will keep you from having to use onboard video. Seriously, on board video really chokes a system down. Onboard audio is OK.








    Qty Product Item # Unit Price Qty x Price

    CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)
    Lite On 48x24x48 CDRW Model LTR-4824S OEMBuffer underrun error free &amp; automatically adjust writing strategy plus running OPC to meet various burning condition.
    Specifications:
    Speed : Recording 48Xmax CAV Re-writing 24X High-Speed CLV Reading 48Xmax CAV
    Interface : ATAPI-E/IDE, support up to Ultra-DMA Mode2 33.3MB/sec
    Access Time : 80ms (typical)
    Buffer Memory Size: 2MB
    Operating System : Windows 95/98/NT/XP/2000/ME
    MTBF : 70'000 Power On Hours with 25% Duty
    OEM (Comes with Software Manual and Audio cable.) more info&gt;
    N82E16827106188 $52.99
    $52.99
    Memory (System Memory)
    &amp;#9658;On Sale! CRUCIAL MICRON 256MB 32x64 PC 2100 DDR RAM - OEM Offer Time Limit Will End Soon. 184-Pin, CL=2.5-Unbuffered 2.5V, 6-Layers CT3264Z265 Requires DDR supported Motherboard - Lifetime Warranty. OEM more info&gt;
    N82E16820145001 $46.99
    $46.99
    Motherboards - AMD
    &amp;#9658;On Sale! ECS K7S5A PRO USB 2.0 SiS® 735 SOCKET A MOTHERBOARD - RETAIL Back Plate Included

    Specifications:
    Supported CPU:Supports all AMD XP Processor
    Chipset:SiS® 735 System Chipset
    FSB:266/200 MHz
    RAM:2 DDR DIMM sockets and 2 DIMM sockets support Two 184-pin DDR SDRAM (DDR200, DDR266) or Two 168-pin 3.3V SDRAM (PC100, PC133). Maximum: 1.0GB (DDR or SDRAM) (can not be used simultaneously)
    IDE:4x IDE devices Ultra DMA 33/66/100
    Slots:5 PCI Slots, 1 4X AGP slot, 1 AMR slot.
    Ports:2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,2xUSB,1xLAN and Audio Ports
    Retail Box (see pics for details) more info&gt;
    N82E16813135126 $60.00
    $60.00
    Processors
    &amp;#9658;On Sale! AMD Athlon XP 1700+ Thoroughbred /266 FSB Processor CPU 1700+/ 1.47GHz -OEM, AXDA1700 The Ultimate Digital Media Experience in an x86 Platform.Tailored for Microsoft® Windows® XP. Featuring QuantiSpeed Architecture for Rapid Execution of Applications. Tomorrow’s Technology Today.The Power of a Reliable Partner.
    Specifications:
    CPU: 1.47 GHz
    Type: 1700 XP Thoroughbred
    Cache: 256K
    BUS: 266MHz
    Micron: .13
    Socket A (PGA)
    OEM - CPU Only more info&gt;
    N82E16819103351 $53.00
    $53.00


    Subtotal » $212.98

    Grand Total » $ 212.98



    $212 for a decent start up system there. Still needs a case (the first link with the video cards, they sell cheap cases around $30.)

    -- Mike
     
  11. fender

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    Ok, forget everything I've posted so far. I have about $300 to spend, I know it's not much.

    70% browsing the net
    10% games
    10% typing
    10% misc

    That's pretty much how I use my computer. I don't want to watch high quality movies, or listen to much music. What would everybody recommend? I'm not looking for a complete system, just parts.
    Thanks everyone for your help.
     
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    What do you have now? It might be worth it to just buy a barebones kit. Figure $100 for a new case, cheap mobo and Duron 1.2 GHz cpu. If you mainly just surf then a duron would be more then suffice.
     

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