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Jim and the Indians

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by 78Suburban, Apr 15, 2006.

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What is the moral thing to do?

  1. Kill the indian, saving 19 others

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  2. Refuse to kill, letting Pedro kill all 20

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    14.3%
  3. I'm Nekkid, who needs moral philosophy?

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  1. 78Suburban

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    I'm loving my philosphy classes, and I am kinda curious how some of you view some of the harder questions. I'm gonna make a poll to see how yall would answer this famous moral delimma

    You are a botanist working in South America. Pedro has captured 20 Indians who were protesting against his evil regime. Pedro captures you and figures out that you are a harmless botanist. He gives you the honored ritual of getting to shoot one of the 20 indians he is going to execute. If you do this, you can wish to have the other 19 freed. If you say, no, I won't murder, its wrong, then all 20 indians die. The row of indians are begging you to pick one to kill. What is morally right?

    This all boils down to the debate between the consequentialst and deontilogical approach to morals. Mill would say to kill the indian. Kant would say to refuse to kill the indian.
    :p:
     
  2. chevyin

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    I dont see the dilemna, at all. IMO if I could have saved the lives of 19 others by my actions, but didn't, their deaths would be on MY head. Chosing to allow all 20 to die so I wouldn't have to go thru with killing one would be very selfish on my part.... again imo.
     
  3. 78Suburban

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    You, my friend are a consequentialist. The ends carry more weight than the means in this school of thought. I see postitives and negatives to both sides of the delimma. there is ALOT written about all this good stuff :bow:
     
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    I guess I just don't see the morality of knowing all 20 died so my feeble conscious wouldn't have to deal with the thought of me killing one (even if to save the rest).

    Its like if I had a life raft that could hold 10 more people, but there were 20 in the water, should I just let them all drown so I dont have to live with the thought that half died by me not chosing them? Again, seems very selfish (no offense meant to others who might feel different).

    I knew I was gonna get called names in this thread! :D
     
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    Well, you have to consider what standard you weigh consequentialistic views with.

    Here's another similar debate I read on a philosophy forum.

    There are 5 workers on a trolley track. The trolley looses control and is barreling toward them. They can't get out of the way, but you are on top of a bridge, and there is a very fat man by you, if you pushed him off the bridge, it would stop the trolley. Do you push him off the bridge?

    The situation is hypothetical, and sounds kind of silly, but operates from the same principle. So what would be the proper thing to do in this case?
     
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    That.... is a much harder question.

    Does the fat guy smell? Has he annoyed me in any way before this? Is his name Hi Pi? (omg Im just kidding lol) :D :D :D

    Seriously, I dunno how Id handle that one.
     
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    :D Shoot Pedro, he's probably there illegally anyway...
     
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    killing one to save many is justified IMHO
     
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    Werd
     
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    Desert Rat Fetch the comfy chair

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    What would Spock do?.......
     
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    Vulcan neck grip...
     
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    No, not quite. Its WWBBD?

    Don't know that one? Its What Would Brian Boitano Do? :haha: :bow:
     
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    Dammit, no one has said it yet. You kill the weakest Indian, everyone is freed. Then y'all go back into the jungle, funnel your anger, come back, capture Pedro's stupid ass, take him back into the jungle and see how long you can keep the bastard alive, but in the most pain possible............................:D
     
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    i thought it was "what would big bird do"
    you know from sesame street?


    :D
     
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    If you do not kill the one one Indian the others are not on your head its still pedro choice to kill them all. You are still a murderer if you pick and kill one.
     
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    You my friend fall into the Deontological school of thought. Exactly what Immanuel Kant would do. conqseuentialism fails to recognize Pedro as a moral agent. I've had alot of hard times with this delimma, but I think I would be on your side with this one. The ends DO NO justify the means :bow:
     
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    You are also assuming that Pedro will keep his word, and let the others go. Why would he do that?????
     
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    Yeah WWPD
     
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    Pedro For President!
     

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