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Kiddie porn!

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by NE79, Apr 16, 2002.

  1. NE79

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    I'm so very glad that our civil and constitutional rights are being protected. Today, our right to free speech was upheld by the supreme court, who said that "virtual child pornography" is legal freedom of expression. That means cartoons of kids doing bad things are OK. This makes me angry. One of the arguments for the repeal of the 1996 ruling on virtual porn was that shakespear's "Romeo and Juliet" would be considered child porn.
    One of the guys that was for repealing the 1996 decision said it was a great win for free speech, and that he is against sexual acts involving children(or something to that extent). Hmmm...so child sex is bad and wrong, but cartoons of child sex should be legal.

    Again, very angry.
     
  2. The_Sandman_454

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    This does *not* make me angry and I'll tell you why. I hate the precedent it set. They say you cannot participate in a virtual activity that you can't do in real life either.

    Can you really kill people? No. Sometime down the road if that had not been successfully challenged would permit something that would ban violent video games, and virtually anything else that could be potentially illegal from the virtual world also...

    It *truly* is a good thing. I don't care if some pervert uses this now. Hey *maybe* it'll help prevent them from doing the crimes to real kids. In some cases it may. If that helps then I'd say even that would be worth it... By the way, know what I'm saying (haha sorry had to throw that phrase in there after reading that post, you know?)

    So my verdict is that while I don't support child porn of *any* type, even virtual, I do like various games depicting *other* types of illegal activity (first person shooter games, etc) and feel it was only a matter of time in this "blame something else" society until first person shooter games were *also* hit by a similar law.

    I mean there are endless similarities in the arguments they could/can make about banning something virtual since it's not able to be done legally in real life either. I don't want to be a criminal for shooting some bunch of 1's and 0's inside a computer. If I do the action to somebody in the real world fine fry me, I'll have earned it... Keep what happens in the virtual world and what happens in the real world seperate. I use the computer to get away from real life, not as an extension of real life...

    Just my nickle...
     
  3. NE79

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    I don't think virtual kiddie porn will make someone not do that to a real child, just give them new ideas. I agree that it was a scary precident, but it was exclusive to child pronography. I understand your argument, and i also enjoy mowing down bad guys with my RCP-90, ya know what i mean.lol
     
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    I don't like the virtual kiddie porn either but I don't see any possible way to avoid setting a precedent with it... /forums/images/icons/crazy.gif Wish there was a way... Even if it's just a precedent about pornography... A crafty politician could have easily extended it... /forums/images/icons/crazy.gif I actually hate politicians more than most of this stuff... They cannot be trusted to govern least and leave us alone as much as possible and only do what's absolutely best for society. Such as absolutely banning child porn while promising beyond the shadow of a doubt to leave our non child porn games, etc, etc alone. If they'd have put wording in that bill to *absolutely* restrict it from spreading into anything else, then I'd probably think a little differently. /forums/images/icons/crazy.gif But those idiots like to keep everything open ended so they can increase their controls at some point when it's a popular view. /forums/images/icons/mad.gif Like making guns their whipping boy. /forums/images/icons/mad.gif I noticed just the other day the local paper bad mouthing violent games, etc... /forums/images/icons/mad.gif That could be an easy whipping boy if they really wanted to make it that way, would make a good combination along with guns, since people are ignorant of the issues... /forums/images/icons/mad.gif

    I'm pretty sure some will be deterred due to getting their fix... On the other hand there will also be some who will abuse it, and kids... /forums/images/icons/mad.gif How about let's fix the laws dealing with the actual issue rather than the virtual stuff?

    There *must* be some sort of solution that would help keep that stinkin' legal precedent away but help protect the kids too? More parental involvement? Not really possible in many cases, sadly, etc... /forums/images/icons/frown.gif

    (end rant)
     
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    ++++++++++++++++++++ FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO READ UP ON THE DECISION +++++++++++++++++++++

    AP story:
    http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16075

    Text of the law:
    http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cppa.text.html

    Some of the suits against the law:
    http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=3543

    The supreme court decision:
    http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZS.html

    According to the AP article they only struck down certain portions of the law, and those that they took down were for being vague and too far reaching.
     
  6. NE79

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    Thanks for the links.
    I also do not trust the government. They've shown that they cannot be trusted. However, i believe that a new virtual child porn law should be enacted (not a vague as before). The argument that it could be extended to other things could also be made for the regular child porn ban in '82. I agree that there's always a back door(no inuendo intended) for the politicians to go through. I just think that the repeal also sets a bad precident.
     
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    I agree with all of the above BUT! I think we should just sit down and calculate our actions in such a way that no one is the wiser as to how we deal with these situations one by one.

    "Know what I mean?"
     
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    What kind of a sick mind does it take to come up with virtual kiddie porn ???? And the people who would want it ??? Children need our protection, they are not sexual prey !!!! I admit I'm guilty of saying "give me a call in 10 years" to myself when I see a good looking girl driving by who looks to young for me, but that is said to myself and I know it's nothing. But kiddie porn weather it's virtual or real is just plain wrong !!!!!
     
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    I fully agree with ne79
     
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    Re: Kiddie porn! *DELETED*

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    Go easy on the language for one thing...

    Rather than calling me a sick @#$%, why not take a few minutes to actually put an intellectual statement up defending your view point or picking mine apart...

    Keep it on an intellectual level please. I do not like the precedent it set. This was the first law of it's kind. To me this is not about child pornography, since I'm not interested in it and find it disgusting. It's about making something that's completely taking place inside a computer with no affect on the real life world what so ever and making it illegal. Which *easily* opens the door for making other things done in a computer illegal, games, and so forth...

    So my challenge to you is for you to actually defend your point of view rather than calling me a name or throwing insults at me. I've put my views out on the table. Go ahead and challenge if you can...
     
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    Good point
     

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