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Laws Regarding Roll Cages and Windshields

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by willyswanter, Mar 26, 2004.

  1. willyswanter

    willyswanter 1/2 ton status GMOTM Winner

    Dec 24, 2000
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    Bakersfield, CA
    Ok, in Calif. specifically, is there a law saying that the center of the windshield can't have anything in the way of seeing out of it? I want to run two down bars from the halo to the dash bar on my cage, bars will be 1.5" tubing in a V pattern down the center of the windshield. Think the cops will get all pissy? I'd like to know what the actual laws say about this stuff in case I do get pulled over I can explain what I read the law to mean...
  2. Seventy4Blazer

    Seventy4Blazer 3/4 ton status

    Apr 21, 2001
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    Escondido, CA
    just dont get pulled over. normaly on stuff like that cops dont care till they pull you over for speeding or somethig of the such.
    also, if you are polite to them you shouldnt have a problem. with your truck as it is im sure they wouldnt say anything about it.
    if they do, and they cite you its a 35 dollarish ticket. just show you removed the bars.
    one outlook on this would be some sort of quick release system for the bars. you can put them on for wheeling and take htem off for street driving. nor as strong, but if built right then damn close to it.
  3. BranndonC

    BranndonC 3/4 ton status

    Mar 18, 2002
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    Anaheim, Ca
    i asked a cop once, and he told me anything hanging from my mirror that "obstructed my view of the windshield" was illegal, i dont know if this helps though /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
  4. chubbybob

    chubbybob 1/2 ton status

    Oct 18, 2002
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    the only time I have been stopped the cop was just walking around my truggy looking at it in amazement wondering how I built it.
    I was sweating all the little laws but he didnt say anything regaurding the down tubes. I dont think he even noticed them.

    actual law says anything in the obstruction of the drivers view is illegal but I dont even see the bars anymore so who are they to say whats in my obstruction.
  5. jjlaughner

    jjlaughner 3/4 ton status

    Jan 12, 2001
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    I know its not as strong but you could use takeout bars

  6. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

    Bubba Ray Boudreaux 1 ton status

    Jan 21, 2001
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    From the vast and all knowing California Vehicle Code:
    [ QUOTE ]
    26708. (a) (1) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any
    object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied
    upon the windshield or side or rear windows.
    (2) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any object or
    material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied in or upon
    the vehicle which obstructs or reduces the driver's clear view
    through the windshield or side windows.
    (3) This subdivision applies to a person driving a motor vehicle
    with the driver's clear vision through the windshield, or side or
    rear windows, obstructed by snow or ice.
    (b) This section does not apply to any of the following:
    (1) Rearview mirrors.
    (2) Adjustable nontransparent sunvisors which are mounted forward
    of the side windows and are not attached to the glass.
    (3) Signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a
    7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed
    from the driver, signs, stickers, or other materials which are
    displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the rear window
    farthest removed from the driver, or signs, stickers, or other
    materials which are displayed in a 5-inch square in the lower corner
    of the windshield nearest the driver.
    (4) Side windows which are to the rear of the driver.
    (5) Direction, destination, or termini signs upon a passenger
    common carrier motor vehicle or a schoolbus, if those signs do not
    interfere with the driver's clear view of approaching traffic.
    (6) Rear window wiper motor.
    (7) Rear trunk lid handle or hinges.
    (8) The rear window or windows, when the motor vehicle is equipped
    with outside mirrors on both the left- and right-hand sides of the
    vehicle that are so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the
    highway through each mirror for a distance of at least 200 feet to
    the rear of the vehicle.
    (9) A clear, transparent lens affixed to the side window opposite
    the driver on a vehicle greater than 80 inches in width and which
    occupies an area not exceeding 50 square inches of the lowest corner
    toward the rear of that window and which provides the driver with a
    wide-angle view through the lens.
    (10) Sun screening devices meeting the requirements of Section
    26708.2 installed on the side windows on either side of the vehicle's
    front seat, if the driver or a passenger in the front seat has in
    his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed
    physician and surgeon certifying that the person must be shaded from
    the sun due to a medical condition, or has in his or her possession
    a letter or other document signed by a licensed optometrist
    certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a
    visual condition. The devices authorized by this paragraph shall not
    be used during darkness.
    (11) An electronic communication device affixed to the center
    uppermost portion of the interior of a windshield within an area that
    is not greater than 5 inches square, if the device provides either
    of the following:
    (A) The capability for enforcement facilities of the Department of
    the California Highway Patrol to communicate with a vehicle equipped
    with the device.
    (B) The capability for electronic toll and traffic management on
    public or private roads or facilities.
    (c) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), transparent material may be
    installed, affixed, or applied to the topmost portion of the
    windshield if the following conditions apply:
    (1) The bottom edge of the material is at least 29 inches above
    the undepressed driver's seat when measured from a point 5 inches in
    front of the bottom of the backrest with the driver's seat in its
    rearmost and lowermost position with the vehicle on a level surface.

    (2) The material is not red or amber in color.
    (3) There is no opaque lettering on the material and any other
    lettering does not affect primary colors or distort vision through
    the windshield.
    (4) The material does not reflect sunlight or headlight glare into
    the eyes of occupants of oncoming or following vehicles to any
    greater extent than the windshield without the material.
    (d) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), clear, colorless, and
    transparent material may be installed, affixed, or applied to the
    front side windows, located to the immediate left and right of the
    front seat if the following conditions are met:
    (1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88
    (2) The window glazing with the material applied meets all
    requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49
    C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance
    of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as
    specified in that federal standard.
    (3) The material is designed and manufactured to enhance the
    ability of the existing window glass to block the sun's harmful
    ultraviolet A rays.
    (4) The driver has in his or her possession, or within the
    vehicle, a certificate signed by the installing company certifying
    that the windows with the material installed meet the requirements of
    this subdivision and identifies the installing company and the
    material's manufacturer by full name and street address, or, if the
    material was installed by the vehicle owner, a certificate signed by
    the material's manufacturer certifying that the windows with the
    material installed according to manufacturer's instructions meets the
    requirements of this subdivision and identifies the material's
    manufacturer by full name and street address.
    (5) If the material described in this subdivision tears or
    bubbles, or is otherwise worn to prohibit clear vision, it shall be
    removed or replaced

    [/ QUOTE ]

    I actually think you won't have any problems with most of the cops out there with something like this, as long as you keep the V at the top pretty tight.

    Heck, I drove around that state for 6 years with a busted windshield, no front plate, and stuff hanging off the mirror and never got pulled over for any of it.
  7. 84gmcjimmy

    84gmcjimmy 1 ton status

    Dec 3, 2003
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    Thats a big law write-up. I wonder how look it took for them to think of all that stuff. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
  8. ZooMad75

    ZooMad75 1/2 ton status Premium Member

    Apr 5, 2003
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    Pueblo, CO
    My guess would be on how the cop is going to interpret that law. Really a crap shoot. But think about this.....What about all the street rods and classics from the mid 50's and back that were originally equipped with 2pc windshields? The had a nice bar that split the window in 2 like a '40 ford, '41 chevy all that stuff. I know at the time it was cool to install glass that was v-butted together at the center joint to eliminate the post, but you could still not see through the seam. I'm not sure if those older cars were "grandfathered" under the previously posted law, but its worth a shot to remind a cop of that if you did get nabbed.
  9. Desert Rat

    Desert Rat Fetch the comfy chair

    Oct 19, 2002
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    Tri-Valley, NorCal
    The bottom line will be whether or not any of the cage obstructs your view out of the windshield. If the bar runs near the top of the dash, but doesn't obstruct your view, no violation. If the side tubes run down the windshield frame, but don't obstruct your view, no violation. If you start encroaching into the windshield area with any bar, you can be cited. Of course the courts later will look at it with some reason. If a cross bar near your dash cuts down a very small percentage of your view only once in a while, and it can be rectified by leaning forward slightly in the seat, common sense will probably prevail. Doesn't matter if a million other cars have the same violation, you are the one in the crosshairs at the time of the stop. As with any stop by the po po, whether or not you walk away with a ticket as a result relies on a ton of variables, only some of which you can control.
  10. BlazerGuy

    BlazerGuy 3/4 ton status

    Apr 20, 2000
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    I think Jason is talking about having 2 vertical bars in the middle of the windshield....from the halo bar to the dash bar....
  11. az-k5

    az-k5 1/2 ton status

    Oct 15, 2003
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    Phoenix AZ
    I look at winshield bars in the same way I look at a 2 piece winshield (Humvee, older jeep, VW van and such). I would think just like beadlocks, racing bels, and lexan glass, you have to tick off a cop pretty good to get him to site you for it. The friggin' ricers cove their whole winshield up with a big sticker that make them look sponsered, and then they put a big azz wiper blade in the middle of it. I don't see it being a big problem unless your cops are more strict than mine. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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