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Lift spring or flip shackles?

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by eshorvath, Jul 18, 2004.

  1. eshorvath

    eshorvath 1/2 ton status

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    Im taking out my 4 inch lift blocks in he rear.... Should i go lift springs or flip shackles?
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    if you tow at all-springs
    if just DD and offroad-shackle flip
     
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    I prefer springs, but I'm not into articulation and suspension travel like the shackle flip guys are.
     
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    So shackle flips allow more bending?
    Eddie
     
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    I don't know much about the characteristics of shackle flips, someone else could help with this more than I can.
     
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    if you tow at all-springs

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    shackle flips let you use your existing (stock) springs, instead of adding more leafs. When you add more leafs to the pack you gain height, but you lose the ability to flex more. When using a shackle flip, since you are using the stock springs, you can articulate alot better then spring lifts.

    **This does not include custom made springs**
     
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    if you tow at all-springs

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    what?
     
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    if you tow at all-springs

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    what?

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    This has been a subject of fierce debate, that's all... /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    ohh... forgot bout that /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif
     
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    When i tow, im not towing much weight, usually a quad and or dirtbike, or towing the occasional ford out of the snow bank.
    Sooooo, shackle flips use the stock springs, but if my springs are old, ill be sagging, right? New, lift springs would give me the lift, with less sag, right? then later, if i wanted more lift, i could add flip shackles on top of the new lift springs??
    Eddie
     
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    yeah, if your springs are saggy, you'll be low in the rear.
    So if you don't want to worry about saggy springs, get new ones /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
     
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    so the only reason shackle flips are not good for towing is because it uses the stock springs???
     
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    no, because they can un-load. I think. Search for the war on it. I cant say for sure because someone will say otherwise /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
     
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    Link to the war... /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    I personally prefer the shackle flip myself. It's all about the ride quality for me. I have 6" lift springs in the front, with the ORD 4" shackle flip + 3" lift springs in the rear.
     
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    Shackle flip. There is no other way /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif I did a home-brew system and installed 2 ORD flips for my friends. You will not want lift springs after seeing and feeling how much better a shackle flip helps your rig.
     
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    i didn't really follow all the arguements on the "war" on this topic, but IMO if you plan on towing heavy stuff a lot, just go with lift springs from a good manufacturer (BDS, TC, Deaver, etc) and you'll be fine. If you want best offroad perf, a smoother ride, and maybe just tow a lighter trailer on occassion, then go with the shackle flip and rebuild your springs while you have everything appart.

    thats just my 2 cents. Im not sure whats wrong with shackle flip towing, but enough people who's opinions I trust think its not the best idea. I dunno, maybe a disconnectable rear sway bar or limiting straps would solve the problem? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

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    I didn't follow the war either but my buddy had one of my flips and tows a 5000lbs boat with his k5. He never had a problem and I know I saw a post where stephen from ORD said towing is not a problem with one. There are vehicles out there rated for towing good size loads with shackles already flipped (or I believe in compression is what it is called) so if the factory does it why can't we.

    P.S. check the link in my sig flip kit is much cheaper than springs. My kit is a little more than 4" so it helps with saggy but.
     
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    When i tow, im not towing much weight, usually a quad and or dirtbike, or towing the occasional ford out of the snow bank.
    Sooooo, shackle flips use the stock springs, but if my springs are old, ill be sagging, right? New, lift springs would give me the lift, with less sag, right? then later, if i wanted more lift, i could add flip shackles on top of the new lift springs??
    Eddie

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    That's what I would do. Especially if you are planning on more lift in the future. Get new springs now, and then if you want more lift you can add just a 2.5" flip or 4" flip. And I think with the flip you will either need to get angle shims or a rear CV drive shaft to accomodate the pinion angle.

    I believe the reason that stock springs with the flip flex better because the stock springs are flatter and therefore flex either way easier. With lift springs there is a bigger arch to overcome. I could be wrong however, that is just how I've always figured it worked.
     

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