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Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!! *UPDATE*

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by ChevyCaGal, Jun 6, 2003.

  1. ChevyCaGal

    ChevyCaGal 3/4 ton status

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    I haven't seen this yet posted over here, so I thought I would post up.... this is a huge deal. You might think the wording says it's a suggestion, but it's more then that. They are trying to slip by something to ban over sized tires here in CA. You might be sitting there now thinking CA sucks and we have a crazy state. Guess what!? It's not just us! Our state is the testing grounds for this stuff. If it flies here without a fight, how long before your state sees something like this? If this passes here, this could be setting the ground work to have you seeing bills like this where you live. Take sometime, and write a letter or make a call. Even if you don't live in CA. It might be us today, but it might be you tomorrow. Are you willing to sit by and lose your right to buy what you want? You just might be.... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif



    http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147961
     
  2. HarryH3

    HarryH3 1 ton status Author

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    This section of the code would seem to exempt off road tires, snow tires, and other tires with deep tread:

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    (3) Not apply to deep tread, winter-type snow tires, space-saver
    or temporary use spare tires, off-road tires, or tires with nominal
    rim diameters of 12 inches or less.


    [/ QUOTE ]
     
  3. bee32

    bee32 1/2 ton status

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    I was just reading that and thaught the same thing. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
  4. Calclips

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    Wow... thats all I have to say... wow...
     
  5. mudhog

    mudhog THEGAME Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    i passed this on to several of my local groups as well /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
  6. 88Silverado

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    Off-Road tires refer to NON D.O.T. approved tires like for tractors, racing etc. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
     
  7. HarryH3

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    But my "off road" tires have the "deep tread" mentioned in that list as well. Many of them also have the "snow tire" designation on the sidewall as well. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
  8. Greg72

    Greg72 "Might As Well..." Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    Somehow I suspect SEMA might have a thing or two to say about this proposal..... /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
     
  9. Grim-Reaper

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    Forward this to SEMA.

    Now understand how this works. Some yuk makes a bill proposal and it can be ANY Yuk in America. That bill is distributed to a commitee that handles simular bills so before you go on a head hunting mission on the Rep thats name is attached to it make sure he's the yuk that did the bill in the first place. He may not have even seen it or had time to read and fully investigate this. Be tactfull when you write the letters.

    Things I would point out when you contact your reps.

    #1 is this will be a HUGE loss in revenue for not only the tire manufactures but the loss in tax dollars. The bigger the tire the more it cost the more tax dollars it generates.

    #2 it's a outright infingments on your freedom of self expression.

    #3 It effects your personal intersts of places you like to travel. Your tires being limited will limit the places you go as well as the money you spend at those places that again generate "Tax Dollars".

    I don't see this making it very far but yes make sure you make your reps aware of your displeasure.
     
  10. alec78

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    Right on Grim!! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

    I am going to keep an eye on this and if it goes much further I think a boucott on CA products and whatnot would be in order!! It would not be easy though. Of course I would get a message to all of CA's State Reps stating my intent and examples of what a boycott would include!!

    I think the line of thought is right, "If The Peoples Republic of California (refering to the Government not residents) passes it, it would just be a matter of time be for other states and/or US Gov tries it" /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif

    Just to make life easier, here is the URL to CA's Assembly Bill 844:

    AB 844

    Make sure you read the most recent Amended Version!!!
     
  11. Shaggy

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    <font color="green"> The most recently amended version has the part about off-road and deep tread tires crossed out.

    You know what gets me? This whole program would cost everyone a forture, and for dubious gains. Who is going to end up paying the costs of the new labeling and testing that the tire manufacturers would have to do? Who is going to pay for all of these effeciency testing programs that the government is going to do? I'll give you a hint - It's not the government or the tire manufacturers. WTF are lawmakers in CA thinking, this state is on the brink of being insolvent and here they are trying to pass a law that's going to cost the taxpayers even more money. Although they wouldn't call it a tax, they would call it an "energy efficiency fee" or some crap, and slap $25 onto the price of every tire in the store. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif

    That said, this appears to just be a program designed to educate people and help them make "an informed decision" /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif. It's not mandating anything about required tire sizes or construction.</font>
     
  12. dysphemism

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    Somehow this doesn't surprise me, it looks like big trucks and tires are on their way out. It's really too bad but then you see the people with the incredibly dangerous lifts on dateline and they really ruin it for everyone else. Just look at that superduty with 5 stacked front blocks. California laws don't have to make any sense, just look at our gun laws. Any law they can make about guns to interfere with them is passed. I couldn't get my kahr k9 in black because it hadn't been put through the CA tests. Some states have laws that you can only lift your truck 4" or so above stock. I'm really hoping that this doesn't pass, I'm guessing a 42" tire is probably considered over-sized.
     
  13. TXsizeK5

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    To those fawkwads, a 35" tire is probably oversized if it doesn't come factory.we'll just have to convince chevy to start coming out w/ a 35" + swamper option on their new vehicles.
     
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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    I imagine Goodyear and BFG among others will have a few lawyers to throw at this. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
     
  15. Grim-Reaper

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

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    To those fawkwads, a 35" tire is probably oversized if it doesn't come factory.we'll just have to convince chevy to start coming out w/ a 35" + swamper option on their new vehicles.

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    Thought they came factory on the H2
     
  16. 89GMCSuburban

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    Ok, the newly amended version states that this applies to tires that conform to uniform tire quailty standards. That means, tires that come with the treadwear, traction, and temperature ratings, right? Not to be cruel, but what do you expect? California is a very liberal state...
     
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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    cali seems to be the root of all evil...which side of san andreas do these numbnuts live on? If it's the seaward side lets have one big crawl and push em to Hawaii /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    it's usually the insurance companies that start this. they are the the strongest lobbiests.they lose money after an accident so the safer they make cars (all the same size and slow), the more they make.i'm telling you they want us to stay inside and watch T.V. i pay 2280.00 yearly for 3 vehicles, and never make a claim. i say they should give everyone that doesn't make a claim a year free every three years at least.and if they say they will lose money then get out of the insurance market. write your congressman and tell them what you think,they were voted in and they can be voted out. thanks for letting me vent /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
     
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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    For the lazy:

    AB 844, as amended, Nation. Replacement Tire Efficiency Program.
    Existing law, with respect to energy conservation and development,
    states the policy of the state, among other things, to fully
    evaluate the economic and environmental costs of petroleum use and to
    establish a state transportation energy policy that results in the
    least environmental and economic cost to the state.
    This bill would require the State Energy Resources Conservation
    and Development Commission , in consultation with the California
    Integrated Waste Management Board, to develop a replacement
    tire efficiency program of statewide applicability for replacement
    tires for passenger cars and light trucks that is designed to ensure
    that replacement tires sold in the state are at least as
    energy efficient, on average, as the tires sold in the state
    as original equipment on these vehicles.

    SECTION 1. (a) The Legislature finds and declares both of the
    following:
    (1) Substantial evidence indicates that replacement tires for
    passenger cars and light trucks are less energy efficient, on
    average, than tires installed as original equipment.
    (2) Improving the energy efficiency of replacement tires for
    California's passenger and light truck fleet could yield significant
    economic and environmental benefits without affecting vehicle
    performance or safety, while also reducing California's vulnerability
    to oil price increases.
    (3) Substantial evidence indicates that technologies exist to make
    replacement tires more energy efficient and longer lasting.
    (4) Energy efficient tires have the potential to save California
    drivers 300 million gallons of gasoline per year according to a
    California Energy Commission report.
    (b) It is the intent of the Legislature to provide the statutory
    foundation for a regulatory framework to ensure that replacement
    tires sold in California are at least as energy efficient, on
    average, as original-equipment tires.
    (c) It is further the intent of the Legislature that the
    Replacement Tire Efficiency Program not increase the amount of scrap
    tires generated within California, nor negatively impact state
    efforts to manage scrap tires pursuant to the California Tire
    Recycling Act.
    SEC. 2. Chapter 8.7 (commencing with Section 25740) is added to
    Division 15 of the Public Resources Code, to read:

    CHAPTER 8.7. REPLACEMENT TIRE EFFICIENCY PROGRAM

    25740. No later than March 31, 2005, the State Energy Resources
    Conservation and Development Commission shall develop specifications
    for testing procedures, an efficiency rating system, and tire
    manufacturer reporting and labeling requirements for passenger car
    and light truck replacement tires, that will enable consumers to make
    more informed decisions when purchasing tires for their vehicles.
    25741. (a) The State Energy Resources Conservation and
    Development Commission, in consultation with the California
    Integrated Waste Management Board, after appropriate notice and
    public workshops, shall develop an efficiency program of statewide
    applicability for replacement tires for passenger cars and light
    trucks, designed to ensure that the replacement tires sold in
    the state are at least as energy efficient, on average, as the
    tires sold in the state as original equipment on new
    passenger cars and light trucks. The program shall include
    efficiency standards and mandatory labeling of replacement tires, and
    may include, but not be limited to, other methods to promote the
    purchase of energy-efficient replacement tires. These other methods
    may include purchase incentives, Web site listings, printed
    efficiency guide booklets , education for tire retailers
    on replacement tire efficiency, and requirements for
    requiring tire retailers to provide
    efficiency information to consumers the printed
    efficiency guide booklets to the extent that they are available
    .
    (b) The efficiency standards shall be technically feasible
    and cost effective and do all of the following:
    (1) Be designed to secure the maximum technically feasible and
    cost effective tires.
    (2)
    (1) Not adversely affect tire safety.
    (3) Not apply to deep tread, winter-type snow tires, space-saver
    or temporary use spare tires, off-road tires, or tires with nominal
    rim diameters of 12 inches or less.
    (2) Not adversely affect the average tire life of replacement
    tires.
    (3) Apply to all tire types and models that are covered by the
    Uniform Tire Quality Grading Standards in Section 575.104 of Subpart
    B of Part 575 of Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
    (4) Not adversely affect state efforts to manage scrap tires
    pursuant to Chapter 17 (commencing with Section 42860) of Part 3 of
    Division 30.
    (c) The program shall be operative by March 31, 2006. The
    commission , in consultation with the California Integrated
    Waste Management Board, shall review and revise the program,
    including standards, as necessary, but not less than every three
    years. The commission may not revise the program or standards in a
    way that reduces the average efficiency of replacement tires.
     
  20. boggerless

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    Re: Like your tires? Read here before you lose them!!

    one more thing. they should put ralf nader in a mini- copper, with a D.O.T. approved helmet and hit him with a cement truck. o.k. i'm done /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
     

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