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MILITARY PRIDE

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by mudhog, Jan 23, 2002.

  1. mudhog

    mudhog THEGAME Staff Member Super Moderator

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    MILITARY PRIDE

    On 12 January, Ms. Cindy Williams (from Laverne and Shirley TV show) wrote a piece for the Washington
    Times denouncing the pay raise(s) coming to service
    members' way this year-citing that the stated 13%
    wage gap was bogus. A young airman from Hill AFB
    responds to her article below. He ought to get a
    bonus for this!
    Ms. Williams: I just had the pleasure of reading your column of 12 Jan, "Our GIs earn enough" and I am a bit confused.
    Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted
    overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell
    it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense
    Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account.
    Checking my latest leave and earnings statement
    (LES), I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes.
    After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that
    through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an
    annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and
    $10,490.40 after taxes.
    I work in the Air Force Network Control Center
    (AFNCC), where I am part of the team responsible for
    the administration of a 25,000-host computer
    network. I am involved with infrastructure
    segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment.
    A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in
    the Washington, DC area reveals a position in my
    career field, requiring three years experience with
    my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60
    a year nor does it pay less than this. No, this job
    is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum.
    I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.
    Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for
    Housing and Basic Allowance for Subsistence (housing
    and food allowances, respectively) as being a
    further boon to an already overcompensated force.
    Again, I'm curious as to where this money has gone,
    as BAH and BAS were both slashed 15% in the Hill AFB
    area which was effective in January, 2000.
    Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that
    you have NEVER had the pleasure of serving your
    country in her armed forces. Before you take it
    upon yourself to once more castigate congressional
    and DOD leadership for attempting to get the
    families in the military's lowest pay brackets off
    AFDC, WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that you join
    a group of deploying soldiers headed for Saudi- I
    leave the choice of service branch up to you.
    Whatever choice you make though, opt for the SIX
    month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest
    possible time away from your family and friends,
    thus giving you full "deployment experience."
    As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure
    to note the spouses and children who are saying
    good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to
    note that several families are still unsure of how
    they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary
    breadwinner is gone-obviously they've been
    squandering the vast piles of cash the DOD has been
    giving them. Try to deploy over a major holiday;
    Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites.
    And when you're actually over there, sitting in a
    DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day
    foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night,
    and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't
    enough people on shift to relieve you for chow,
    remember this: trade whatever MRE you manage to get
    for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini
    and add Tabasco to everything. Talk to your loved
    ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly
    be long enough or often enough, but take what you
    can get and be thankful for it.
    You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree
    with most of the points you present in your op-ed
    piece. But, tomorrow from Sarajevo, I will defend to
    the death your right to say it. You see, I am an
    American fighting man, a guarantor of your First
    Amendment rights and every other right you cherish.
    On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers
    worldwide ensure that you and people like you can
    thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary
    that is nothing short of pitiful and under
    conditions that would make most people cringe. We
    hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private
    sector because we can't offer the stability and pay
    of civilian companies. And you, Ms. Williams, have
    the gall to say that we make more than we deserve? Rubbish!
    A1C Michael Bragg
    Hill AFB AFNCC
    IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS
    POSSIBLE AND
    SHOW OUR SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN FIGHTING MEN WOMEN.
    THANK YOU PEACE,


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  2. chevyfumes

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    Good one Shannon, I think the military gets plenty of money I'm just not sure they spread the wealth to the men and women who defend this country.Well I take that back I do now...

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  3. AGM73k5

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    <blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

    But, tomorrow from Sarajevo, I will defend to
    the death your right to say it. You see, I am an
    American fighting man, a guarantor of your First
    Amendment rights and every other right you cherish.

    <hr></blockquote>

    I wonder how much of a threat the people in Sarajevo pose to my freedom.

    -Aaron

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    After spending 7 years in the Navy as an airframer in 2 F-14 squadrons, my pay when I got out was $1170 a month before taxes.
    The Pay blows big time.
    Last year I made that a week.
    I worked 12 on 12 off 7 days a week, at sea for months on end.
    On shore it was still 12 on 12 off 5 days a week pulling duty also.
    I know Waa Waa.
    But do the math $300 a week at 12 hrs a day...
    $300 for a toilet seat and they can't pay the men and women who work their asses off a few dollars more??
    Or how about at the end of a quarter when the sqaudron still has x amount of dollers to go in fuel so they just load up the birds and dump the fuel at sea so that they get the same amount the next quarter and do it again??
    Ahh yer tax dollars at work, aint it a beutiful thing?
    For me I was never so glad to get out and start over being a civilian.
    Although if I had stayed in I would be retired in 5 years.
    But then I would be starting over at 38 and ....
    It has taken me 8 years to get where I am at now.


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    What I don't agree with is that politicians get paid a bunch and the soldiers who actually do the work don't get paid squat. I think risking your life deserves higher pay than your face on tv IMO.

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    Obviously, he's deployed in Sarajevo so that's the location he used. SO, just substitute, lets say, Kandahar. Or Tora Bora. Or Kabul. Get the picture? The thousands of Marines, soldiers, airmen (and women) and sailors who are operating in and around Afghanistan RIGHT NOW are protecting YOUR freedom to live in a terror-free country. By going after Al-Qaeda and Taliban, they are placing themselves at risk of a violent, painful death to PROTECT YOUR FREEDOM!!


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    Terrorists from Al Qaeda pose a threat to my safety. Yugoslavians do not. He's not defending me simply by virtue of being in the armed forces. Further I wouldn't be in danger from Al-Qaeda if the government would stop putting money and troops all over the world. Al Qaeda doesn't hate the US for existing. They hate the US for what it does outside it's borders. I'd much rather have the armed forces building a functional missile defence shield or patrolling borders. Having soldiers in Sarejevo, sending money to Israel, having troops in Guantanamo; None of these things serve to defend me better than staying out of other countries. If there needs to be a foreign action let the EU take care of it. I don't need to have things done in my name that result in the deaths of civillians all over the world and then later put me at risk for harm by terrorists.
    -Aaron

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    Edit to add this:
    I appreciate that many have made sacrifices that defended my freedoms. Putting others above oneself is an act that is held in high regard. I don't blame any soldier/pilot/seaman/marine etc. for being at any location, I understand they don't create their own orders. Additionally I hope for their safe return from wherever they may be.
     
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    Are you saying that if I disagree with some portion of the US government I should leave the country?

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    Actually you're incorrect when you say "Al-Qaeda doesn't hate the US for existing". They've stated many times before (as have many other groups that twist and pervert Islam to something it's not) that America's mere existence is cause for a holy war that will only end when America is no more. They want to do the same thing to us that they want to do, and have been trying to do, to Israel. In the eyes of Al-Qaeda and other groups that have twisted Islam into an un-recognizable mess of intolerance and hatred, ANYONE who does not follow their teachings MUST BE EXTERMINATED. Sounds kinda like Nazism, huh?

    Anyway, I'm not gonna argue this one anymore. You're entitled to your opinions, and I'm entitled to mine. So over the course of the next year or so, whenever you express your opinions that differ from what our government says is right, whenever you go freely to different places in the US, whenever you wake up in a free America, think briefly about me, because <font color=red>MY ASS WILL BE ON THE LINE DEFENDING YOUR FREEDOM TO DISAGREE WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT!!!<font color=black>

    Ken

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    Al-Qaeda may say that but look at all the other countries that never bothered anyone that they don't attack. I'm not going to rattle off the majority of the other countries in the world. If people want to get into fights with Israel then that's their business. Israel does a fine job defending itself. Let Al-Qaeda do whatever they want on their land. If we kept to ourselves I really doubt they'd waste the time to bother us. They can go pick bones with Israel, or China, or numerous other countries. The government made choices to become involved with Israel, then the citizens got attacked as a consequence, and now that same government is putting YOUR ass on the line so that it can continue with the same foreign policies that got Al-Qaeda pissed at us in the first place. I appreciate you defending my rights, I'd do the same for you. But, I wouldn't jump up to defend you if you put yourself in the middle of someone else's fight.

    -Aaron

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