well, I decided to get myself a christmas present this year, since i found a good deal and all. got 5 rims and tires. 1 tire was spare, never been on the ground, one with 20K, and 3 with 40K. I like them alot. hard to beat for $400. Now I just need to find the right studs for my front axle so I can use the lugnuts with the threads on the outside for the plastic lugs to go on. Just put them on the rear lugnuts with nothing else and it has a good look to it. watcha think?