Well, I finally got me a tow rig, now I just need a trailer . I started out after an F-250 SD, but the dealership only wanted to give me $3000 for the wifes Nissan pickup that I still owed $8300 on. We talked a little longer and they said my payments would be $720 a month on an 2002 crew cab F-250 4x4 with a V-10, I said they were smoking crack and I needed something cheaper and they pretty told me I was S.O.L... So we went to another dealership and looked at a couple of more trucks but nothing they could get me in for what I wanted to pay, I was about to say screw it and he asked if it had to be a Ford and I told him no as long as it was a 3/4 or 1 ton. So, I finally ended up with a truck I wanted, now it was time to talk $$$$, before it was all said and done, they paid off all $8300 on the wifes Nissan and came down from $18,900 to $15,600 on the truck. I ended up with a 1998 chevy crew cab C3500 dually with a Vortec 454 and an 4L80E tranny. It is a Silverado package truck all the power accs, already has electronic brake controller, hydro-boost, two different trailer plugs in the bed, slotted drop center tailgate and a goose neck plate/ball. The dealer also fixed a broke clearance light and put 4 new rear tires on it too /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif. I think I got a pretty good deal, now I have a DD with A/C, the gas mileage is pretty rough, about 12MPG, but that is what I expected from a 454. Now to get me a trailer and I can make some serious wheeling trips without having to worry about driving my K5 to work the next morning /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif.