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Need opinions on aftermarket manufacturers!

Discussion in '1982-Present GM Diesel' started by Batmanjr, Jan 16, 2003.

  1. Batmanjr

    Batmanjr 1/2 ton status

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    I've already decided to swap a 5.9L Cummins into my tow rig. I'm going to use a stock 1993 12 valve engine and rebuild it before I drop it in! My question is this; What manufactures make a complete setup, or the best setup to modify the engine for the best power output prior to dropping it in... I know there's a lot of aftermarket products out there, but I want to talk to a corporation that strictly deals in boosting the 5.9L Cummins to it's max! Thanks for the replies, and anyone who has seen my name here before, knows that I'm not talking about DP or KD, I want real "Cummins" People! Thanks for all your replies in advance! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    93 uses the Bosch VE rotary pump, probably the best and most reliable rotary out there. Really all you need to do is turn the max fuel screw and high idle setting screw, put some different injectors in, a straight piped 3" or so exhaust on it and be done with it. If you have problems with EGTs then you can swap out the turbine housing on the turbo to let it breathe better. The best person to contact on the what EXACTLY to do is http://piersdiesel.com/. He is very willing to talk on the phone and has many years of research behind these engines. Also, look on the 1st gen forum on www.turbodieselregister.com. Sorry I cant give you more first hand information, but this motor is a lot different than my 94 motor.
     
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    DP is about GM diesels. Try a search for dodge.
     
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    Why bring up the DP or KD then /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif? Is this not called GM Diesel? Why in the world would you expect someone to tell you to contact a GM wep page or a GM parsts specialist for a Cummins? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif?












































































































    If you really want an answer(not just to brag ) try the TDR page.
     
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    I hate to piss some folks off, but to reply to such a coment would be ridiculous! I stated not to mention the DP and KD because they seem to be the answer to 50% of the guys on this forum! I'm looking for intellegent responses to my original question! I never said I had bought a 93 Cummins, or that it was in my tow rig yet, simply that I had decided on using the engine and wanted more info about it from some of the intellegent guys on this board.... So therefore, I see not where your "Brag" statement comes from! To simply state, I really Don't want another "BILL" board and your replies really aid nothing to me... So please, if you want to boost your post count and that is your soul purpose here, do it on another post instead of cluttering my question! /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
     
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    BlueBlazer62,
    Thanks for the reply, I found those sites helpful, but yet I wish to find a more complete aftermarket webpage for highly modified Cummins Engines, Do you have such a thing? I'm looking for maximum output for towing capacity! Your response was apreciative and far more informative than these other no-brainers here! I look forward to any other responses to the subject and more sites or shops that concentrate on Cummins modification! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Like I said, give Piers a call, he will be happy to answer any of your questions over the phone and he has the best prices and service out there. I really dont know what else youre looking for?
     
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    Go to the turbodieselregister.com.

    Go to my profile and read any or all of my posts, and you will see I dont care about post count.

    Marc
     
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    </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
    I stated not to mention the DP and KD because they seem to be the answer to 50% of the guys on this forum! I'm looking for intellegent responses to my original question!

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    This is mainly a GM web site! If you would do a google, yahoo, msn search for some cummins sites and go to those youll probably find what your looking for!!
     
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    I didnt see any of you guys jump on the guy that showed the pics of his Caterpillar engine swap, or the many other questions about other kinds of diesels. GROW UP!
     
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    First of all im not jumping on him. his subject says Need opinions on aftermarket manufacturers not on cummins engines. I just think he should have added cummins into it. Second he said "I want real "Cummins" People". I thought that would mean a cummins board not a GM board!!!
    Third the guy with the Cat engine wasnt asking about how to modify a Cat engine and if he was id suggest he go to a Cat board as well!!!
     
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    Batmanjr,

    The '89-93s with the VE pump are good tow motors for sure. For max power the '94+ with the inline pump are the ones you want. I found this after I bought my '90 dodoge and a second '93 5.9L 12valve.

    From what I've read at the TDR 300RWHP seems to be a realistic limit on the HP of the VE pump. For that kind of power you WILL need an intercooler.

    I have considered getting rid of my '93 motor and upgrading to a '94+, but realisticly don't know if it's worth the hassle. If I could get 250rwhp in my sub I'll be worlds better off than the TBI small block.
     
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    Man,
    It ain't this big of a deal! The tructh is, I've searched the web obviouslyy and what I'm looking for is knowledge from people I trust, IE, people from this board! I know for a fact that there are a couple of guys on this board that have looked into and have done this swap! What I'm looking for is trustworthy suggestive people to talk to! I have no desire to go to some "Dodge" board as a newbee and ask a general question to people I don't know and probably won't get any respect from anyways! NOT TO MENTION, the Cummins ain't a "Dodge" product, it's just offered in a "Dodge"! Personally, If Gm had gotten that contract, I thing Dodge trucks would've hit the sh*t hole a long time ago! Alot of people wonder why I don't just buy a Dodge, But honestly I think the rest of their trucks are [censored], yet another reason why I have no desire to talk on a Dodge board! I've been on this site or 3 years now and I know alot of people here, I post here cause I trust the people here! I have no desire of going elsewhere when there are people with very good answers here! There's a lot of people here that support the swap that I plan cause they all like Cummins engines, therefor, It also benefits future swap people to have this info in the archives as well! Second of all, this is a Diesel Board, Not a GM board! A lot of guys on here talk about all sorts of Diesels, Not just 6.5s and 6.2s! There's a lot of people here with a lot of information, therefore ther is no reason for me to go anywhere else! /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
     
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    Thanks Diesel Dan!
    THis is exactly what I'm talking about, TONS of Info, just waiting on the right people! So you suggest a 94+ Cummins! 12 Valve right? TDR? Where is that? What kind of mods are we talking to get 300+ RWHP? I want maximum towing capacity, as you read before, since you've looked into this, where should I go to find this info out before I buy the engine!? I want to know before hand so I don't do what you did! What would you do to the 94+ motor to max the Torque? THanks again, I'm glad you replied!
     
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    I shall drop it!!!
     
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    TDR is the turbodieselregister.com. It is mainly a Dodge site, but has tons of info on cummins power. The 93 will probably be a good choice unless you can come up with a good intercooler solution. This may be hard depending on what truck you have.

    Also, what truck and tranny?

    Sorry, I must have taken your post wrong, and anti GM diesel on the GM Diesel forum /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

    Marc
     
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    The site is as Marc posted.
    The '94+ use the P7100 inline pump, someone correct me if I'm wrong here. The P7100 can deliver LOTS more fuel than the VE pump. Higher HP injectors are avaiable for the P7100 motors, fuel plates for the pumps, larger turbo.

    As far as intercoolers, I plan on buying a new core support for my sub. Cut and modify as nec to make a good sized intercooler fit, mount radiator, oil coolers and a/c condensor. Then when I'm ready to drop in the motor most mods will be already done, saving down time.

    If I can get 275hp/550+TQ at the rear wheels I won't be able to complain for the $$ I'll have invested in this '93 motor. One plus of having a VE motor is I won't be as likely to get caught up in the HP wars(more$$).
     
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    </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
    The '94+ use the P7100 inline pump, someone correct me if I'm wrong here. The P7100 can deliver LOTS more fuel than the VE pump. Higher HP injectors are avaiable for the P7100 motors, fuel plates for the pumps, larger turbo.


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    This is correct. However, the adjustments for the VE pump are all external so no parts needed to buy to put out more fuel. There are also aftermarket injectors available for both engines. One advantage of the VE pump though is that it is much simpler and cheaper for rebuilds and repairs, also pump problems are easier to diagnose since a pump problem will most likely cause all cylinders to run bad, unlike the inline pumps that have seperate pumping elements for each cylinder that can have problems.
     

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