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Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by Depdog, Apr 26, 2000.

  1. Depdog

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    New \"Bitching/Politics\" Post

    O.k. time to start a new thread, this may not be the place, but this is where EVERYBODY is. Lots of folks complaining about John Law and their freedom being restricted. Everybody has a "bad cop" story including me. I am not here to make anybody like me or for that matter like them. I am here to pass on knowledge and experience. If I can help one person with a problem on this board or on the street than I am a better person and that in turn helps make a better place for me and mine, expecially if I rub off on another and the circle continues.

    I got into law enforcment to help out my community and to make "my world" a better place. Some get into it because its a power trip... THAT is the wrong reason and those officers need to be removed. Snakeyes we have our share of the "terds" some even fit your description pretty well, mirrored sunglasses, shirt sleeves tailord to fit their arms very tight, although it seldom distracts from their giant pot bellies. Lots of the stuff you say is to the point and I aggree with, some I dont, but hey its a free county, think and believe like you want.

    Laws are like the bible, you get a different interpritation depending on who is reading them. Every judge has his own take on what a law means to him or her just like a preacher does. Its a never ending debate and thats why laws are always being repealed and or changed. There are some flat ass rediculas laws on the books, and since they are not removed, technically they are still to be enforced. Not to long ago I locked up a guy and his girlfriend, his WIFE had caught them in bed. He went to jail for fornication and she went to jail for adultry or it could have been vice versa, they were not my warrants so I did not really care a whole lot, just thought it was funny as hell that those laws were still on the books and enforcable. His wife did some research and went to the judge and got the warrants.

    Texas had one in the not so distant past where a state prisoner that had been released for time served sued the state and won, he found an abscure law on the books that was from the 1800's. It said that upon release of a prisoner of the state that said prisoner should receive a Horse and gun, and all the small things that go with both, saddle, holster, ammo ect. He sued and WON. That is absolutly rediculas, but hey, the law was still on the books.

    Just like was said in one of the other posts, MOST, not ALL but most people that are whining and bitching about law enforcment and its officers are people who have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar so to speak. Then they whine the loudest. If you dont like it, then just as stated in many of the posts before VOTE and change it.

    Lots of folks bitch like hell when they get a ticket, complain and say that law enforcment is to strict and that there are to many cops patrolling and just trying to keep them down. The first time someting happens to them, they are the first ones to call screaming for help and bitch that there are not enough police and you can never find one if needed. Damned if we do and damned if we dont.

    There is a local convience store in my home town that is very pro-law enforcment, he has a sign posted on the wall with a very good statment about law enforcment, I will copy it and post it here for all to read. Lots of folks bitch and whine about us, but I will ask you this, if we were not doing the job, who would be, do you have the moxy to put on what I wear and go out and do the job I do, besides military, who else do you know that puts on BODY ARMOR just to go to work everyday?, and all the military does not do that, most of the ones in harms way are the "TEAMS" that meaning all branches because they ALL have "TEAMS" and those folks you are not going to hear about anyway.

    As far as Us vs Them, its been that way for as long as I can remember, no matter how much law enforcment tries to get out into the public, be it foot patrol, bike patrol, or COPS (community oriented policing) or the DARE program or any of the other GOOD p/r programs, there is always the majority that will stay away and will not ever trust a law enforcment officer. Most of it starts at a young age. Ever seen a momma or daddy tell their little rug rat, uh oh if you dont mind that cop is going to take you away. Most people only do this once within my ear shot, depending on weather or not said person is joking or being serious I have 2 responses. For the joker, I ask that said person please do not say that to their child as the child beleives what mommy or daddy says like the word of god and if the child were to ever be in need of help for a varity of reasons would not come to us because the last thing mommy or daddy said was the "cops" would take me away. For the serious ones,(most of those are our REGULAR CUSTOMERS)I give a variant of the same speech but with a sharper tone and away from the kids.

    If you think local normal laws are nuts, go and check out our public schools since columbine. Holy christ, its not a school anymore, its a socialist republic. I have to sit in juvinile court and listen to the judge rant and rave at these kids who are there for the most ludicrist crap you have ever heard. When I was in school (not all that long ago) if you got in a fight with somebody, you went to the office and got your ass whipped, or went to in house suspension for a week, sometimes got suspended for 3 days. Now its expulsion to an alternative school if not from school at all, and after that you can look forward to at least 3 different charges in juvinile ct. Simple Batter, Affray (fighting) and Disrupting Public Schools. Thats bullshit. Waste of my tax dollars and on and on. I could type tons of stories on this rediculas crap. Think you have lots of restrictive rules and laws, check out what your kids have to deal with. If you are not up on public schools, you will be amazed.



    This has gotten long and off topic, but what the hell, its the best discussion we have had here in weeks!

    U.S.A., love it or GET THE HELL OUT!

    Depdog

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  2. shaggyk5

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    amen, depdog.

    shaggyk5

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    EXcellent post DEP. I like what you have to say and its clear that you have the "right" idea.
    I'd post more right now but I just returned from 10 Rounds with a guy in my weight class and we whipped each other silly. Gotta find a better way!! More Later
     
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    Re: New \"Bitching/Politics\" Post

    Great post, Depdog. I think that many take officers work for granted and often don't give them the common courtesy deserved, much less the deep respect that we should. I have been guilty of this in the past also, especially in my teen years. But I do see the good in what you do, do see that without officers, our country would be unlivable. Especially in times like these. My hat goes off toward you and all your fellow officers who give us a decent place to live.

    THANK YOU FOR THE PEACEKEEPERS.

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    Re: New \"Bitching/Politics\" Post

    just do what you have to do
     
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    Some finger streaches will help with the carple tunnel Dep :) Great post!
    Now I'm not one to leave a short reply so here is my take on this
    . I feel just like Dep. I pay for the salery of People Like Depdog with the taxes I pay on my income. I am more than willing to pay it for the protection from criminals. Without law and a way to enforce it the country would go to HELL. If you stand out from the rest by acting like an idiot you deserve all the hassel you get. If your breaking the law in any manner wether it be speed, hollywooding a stop sign, murder.. ect you knew the penelty before you did it so SHUT THE HELL UP AND DEAL WITH IT. Yes it is wrong for a random hassel that happens and I personaly think it was a crock that the amount of powder in the bottom of a Altioids box was enough for the cop to even bother with hauling sombody down to the station when nothing else was found in the vehicle. That was a bit too far and I really don't think that was productive at all but it's the alternative that bothers me more. The fact that if the police could not search vehicles that the drug trade that is already bad enough would only be much worse.
    I have nothing to hide and if I ever had a cop come up and ask to look through my vehicle I would let them. Then after they did I would question their probable cause for looking. To raise the fact that he was hasseling a law abiding citizen like me for no particular good reason when they came up with a crock excuse. I would carry it no farther than that just ask to get him really thinking about the possible stereo type he has suscumbed too. Sorry driving fast is a crock excuse. I also understand that there are plenty of bad people in the world that would be giving signals that would make the officer suspicious of them. Unfortunatly fear is often enough to raise suspicion even in sombody that has nothing to hide and I'm sure that was what compelled the cop to ask to look. Cops are not mind readers so they have to work with what they got. Is this guy scared because he is young or is he scared because he is hiding something. What can they do at that point but ask to look.
    If your ever pulled over for anything then you need to keep that in mind Be respectfull. Look the officer in the eyes and talk to them like you would your father (well depends on your situation I guess but you get my jist). Above all else remember your paying them to risk their life to protect you from criminals and they are just doing the job you pay them to do. If your getting a ticket then remember that it was you that was in violation of the law that was set by your pears. The officer didn't make the law. They just enforce it. Take the ticket and pay the fine. If you feel it's wrong, that ticket has a court date and you can sort it out with a judge. Arguing with the officer is pointless. If they were going to let you off they would have before they wrote the ticket. How you act in the first 30 seconds you talk to them is going to be your best shot at getting a warning instead of a ticket. You acting like a spoiled child pretty well garrantes the ticket.


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    Hey Depdog, too bad I didn't get a chance to meet you when I lived in Georgia last year. God Bless you dude and amen on that post!

    My wife has a friend in LA who is a SWAT cop. Sniper I think. Everyone I tell that to says "wow does he want to get killed or something? must be a tough job". Well I don't really know too much about law enforcement but I think I'd rather be a SWAT cop in LA, knowing then when I got called into duty that I knew at least what to expect, then be a patrol cop with basically a target painted on my face for every gang-banger to get a first shot at unexpectedly. Nope, I couldn't be a cop. but I sure as hell appreciate folks like you who let me sleep a little better at night!!!!!!!!!

    Sure when I was a teenager I had my share of run-ins with police. Usually just traffic violations, and like any teenager and new driver I was always pissed at cops just for being cops. Now that I'm an adult I know that those cops had every right to give me a hard time, whether or not I deserved it. I was a punk kid who for all intents and purposes could have been carrying a gun. I've got friends who were busted with loads of pot and were also pissed at the cops who gave them a hard time (ok, that's putting it politically correct, it was more like they got the crap scarred out of them, and some of them got a little beat up). Now I don't feel so bad about it. They were punk kids too, and for their attitudes probably deserved it. No I don't think police brutality is acceptable, but I can tell you that those friends are still alive, not disfigured, and straight as an arrow.

    Rock on Depdog buddy, and remember that there are those of us who truly appreciate folks like you looking out for us and our families wellfare. Just wish there were more of you to clean up the DevilDogs in Chandler/Gilbert. (You've probably heard the latest on the Sammy the Bull case, and his interaction with this white-trash gang down here...)

    Hey Depdog, why not move out to Phoenix and join "Sheriff Joe's" posse? [​IMG]

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    Well, since we're on the subject here, I might as well comment on th school issue. I'm a senior at Mt. Juliet HS here in Tennessee. Things this year have changed dramatically, and it's rediculous. The things that used to be minor and insignifigant are now treated with almost similar punishments as more major things. It's getting out of hand, and personally I'm ready to leave it before it gets worse. This year began our new dress code to avoid potential problems like those encountered in Columbine. No one now has any choice on expression of their personality and such and such. If someone wants to have orange and purple hair that's their choice and who is anyone to stop them. Granted I don't want that for myself, but it'd be nice to be able to wear a T-Shirt or some shorts every now and them. Hell, it'd be nice to wear something that has a logo period. Our code consists of Khaki pants, Blue Jeans, or Black Slacks with hunter green,navy blue, or white polo shirts. No patterns or logos of any sort. Also I will add that no strapless shoes are to be worn and that shorts may only be worn the first and last grading periods of the year(9 Weeks total). I can understand that you don't want a bunch of punk teens forming some sort of cult and dressing like a bunch of goons from the mafia, that's what forms "clicks" at schools where you have outcasts that are completely torn away from the rest of school and it's activities. That's about all I have to say at the moment, I just had to get that out. hehe.

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    Whoa thats alot of reading, I like the paragraphs though Depdog, I'll keep mine short since my hands are hurt just from reading,[​IMG]hehehe. I have to amen that one as much as it can being in my profession,EMS, i deal with officers all day long, and they are great, of course there are always the sour grapes that abuse there power. But in my expireance most are nice guys. Boy is it nice to see you guys when i roll on a domestic violence scene. Or some other violent type incident, i mean the last thing i want is for some drunk to shoot, stab, hit, kick, or hurt me or my partner. Everyone has had a bad experiance with a cop at on time or another, but only the folks that are doijng wrong have a problem with 'um.
    Just thought i'd share.
    Thanks all you officers out there!!![​IMG]

    <font color=red>Chris</font color=red>
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  10. Depdog

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    O.k. here is the way that the search thing works here in GA, some of my brother officers probably will not like that this is posted, but I dont figure that the local drug dealers are reading this and they know most of the laws better than we do already. Thats what they pay those high dollar attourneys for.

    When you are stopped on a traffic stop and they want to search your vehicle, if they finds p/c, they dont have to have permission to search it, p/c is not suspicion, its actual drugs or weapons. If they officer feels that you are not telling him the truth he can ask you to search your vehicle, but here is the catch. If he did not see or smell anything that right off the bat is clearly visable, like when you roll the windows down and a giant cloud of pot smoke rolls out of the windows for over a minute. Or if he walks up to talk to you and there is a joint in the ashtray, or (yes this happened) you are stupid enough to be rolling them for your buds and forgot about the one behind your left ear and its sticking out at the officer like a sore thumb. The officer must either give you a warning or site you for what ever violation you committed, keep in mind that for traffic officers, any light that is out especially tag lights and headlights are a legal reason to stop a vehicle, so is any tag obstruction, including clear covers, and the little frames that the dealers like to put on before you buy a car. The temp plate you get from the dealer is also a big magnet to get you pulled over. Any how, you must be free to go, like you signed the ticket or the officer gives you a warning and then says drive safely, it must be clear that you are free to leave and then the officer will drop the tag line. Oh, by the way MR(insert last name) as part of my duties here in (insert county) we are on the look out for illegal narcotics and weapons traffic that come through our state. Do you have any weapons or illegal drugs in your vehicle (even had someone say YES) well, in that case, would you mind if I searched you vehicle. Most say yes no problem, even the dumb ass fools who are toting weapons and drugs. Now there are lots of little tips and tricks that you learn after each stop. I am not going to give you all of them, but you get the gist. The worst people that you have to worry about hurting you are Young teenager, and old people, the teenagers have no concept of death and it being forever, and the older folks dont care because they figure they dont have that long to live anyway.

    Below is a quote from our local paper, it was written by a man that is not in law enforcment and is even from another town in another county, dont know how our paper got it, but I like the hell out of it and it fits pretty damn good!


    UNDERAPPRECIATED LAW ENFORCEMENT

    A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS A COMPOSITION OF WHAT ALL PEOPLE ARE, A MINGLING OF SAINT AND SINNER, DUST AND DEITY. LESS THAN ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ABUSE THE UNIFORM, BUT WE IMMEDIATELY LOOK DOWN AND CRITICIZE ALL OF THEM WHEN ONE GOES BAD.

    A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS AT ONCE THE MOST WANTED AND UNWANTED. AN OFFICER MUST BE SUCH A DIPLOMAT THAT HE OR SHE CAN SETTLE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS SO THAT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUALS WILL THINK THEY WON.

    A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER MUST BE ABLE TO RUN FIVE MILES THROUGH WOODS, BUSHES, ALLEYS AND STREET, CLIMB WALLS IN THE DARK, ENTER HOUSES THAT A PUBLIC HEALTH INSPECTOR WOULD NOT TOUCH AND DO ALL THIS WITHOUT MESSING UP A UNIFORM. OH YEAH, THE OFFICER IS WEARING 30 POUNDS OF EQUIPMENT WHILE THE BAD GUY IS WEARING THOSE HIGH-PRICED SHOES THAT MAKE HIM RUN FAST.

    WE PUT THEM IN PATROL VEHICLES THAT ARE ALMOST WORN OUT AND EXPECT THEM TO ANSWER OUR CALL FOR HELP IN LESS THAN THREE MINUTES. OF COURSE, SOMETIMES THEIR RADIOS DONT WORK WELL, THEIR SIRENS AND LIGHTS DONT WORK JUST RIGHT, BUT THAT IS THE OFFICERS PROBLEM. TAXES ARE TOO HIGH ALREADY

    I MEAN WE HAVE BOUGHT THE CHEIF A NEW CAR, WE BUY THE CHAIRMAN A NEW CAR EVERY YEAR OR TWO AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THE DIRECTORS OF COUNTY OFFICES JUST HAVE TO HAVE A CAR TO DRIVE BACK AND FORTH HOME AND GO TO LUNCH AND STUFF USING COUNTY GAS.

    THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER MUST HELP YOUR WIFE CHANGE A TIRE AND DELIVER YOUR BABY IN THE BACK SEAT OF A CAR ON THE EXPRESSWAY BUT BETTER NOT GIVE YOUR CHILD A TICKET FOR SPEEDING.

    YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT A LAW ENFROCEMENT OFFICER GOES THROUGH. THE OFFICER HAS PHENOMENAL PERSONAL CONTROL. OFFICERS MUST DEAL WITH CRIME SCENES PAINTED IN HELL, COAX A CONFESSION FROM A CHILD ABUSER, COMFORT A MURDER VICTIMS FAMILY AND READ IN THE DAILY PAPER HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT SENSITIVE TO THE RIGHTS OF CRIMINAL SUSPECTS.

    IF YOU HIT AN OFFICER, THE OFFICER IS A COWARD, IF THE OFFICERS HIT YOU, THEY ARE BULLIES USING THEIR AUTHORITY. THE OFFICER MUST KNOW WHERE ALL THE SIN IS AND NOT PARTAKE.

    THE OFFICER MUST BE A MINISTER, A SOCIAL WORKER, A DIPLOMAT, A TOUGH GUY AND A LADY OR GENTLEMAN. OF COURSE OFFICERS MUST BE GENIUSES, FOR THEY HAVE TO FEED AND CLOTHE A FAMILY ON AN OFFICERS SALARY.

    A GOVERNING BODY THAT REALLY CARES ABOUT PROTECTING THE CITIZENS CAN FIND A WAY TO GIVE THE OFFICER A RAISE IN SALARY SO HE DOES NOT HAVE TO WORK TWO JOBS.

    WHAT WE EXPECT OUT OF OUR LAW ENFROCEMENT OFFICERS IS A SHAME WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE PAY THEM.

    AN OFFICER IS KILLED IN THE UNITED STATES EVERY 55 TO 57 HOURS, 150 TO 165 EVERY YEAR. MORE THAN 69,000 ARE ASSAULTED EACH YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES. WE EXPECT SO MUCH FROM SO FEW AND PAY SO LITTLE!!!

    WILLIAM E. MITCHELL
    LAKE CITY GA


    Well, hope that give some of yall some food for thought.

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    I agree with Dep Dog 200 %. The worst part is some idiot who is drunk decides to pull a gun on you or tries to hurt you casue they think or feel they are tough and you handle the situation without injuring him and he sues you because of the way he was treated when he was out of control on alcohol drugs or testosterone.

    Think of what would happen if you went to your local walmart or auto parts store and treated the cashier the way soem people treat cops. How decent of service would you get. its like any occupation there are a few bad apples in every bunch.

    Believe me the decent officers are the ones who try the hardest to get rid of the bad apples.

    I think Dep Dog just about said everything that needed to be said so i won't go on. Thanks for the vent.
     
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    Depdog,

    WOW! Thats some powerfull suff! Sounds good to me, I look at you with a new found respect. Thanks for your hard work, Man!

    I used to be terribly crass about Police and stuff. I have since grown up and realize - we are responsible for our actions. I usually do not gripe about much, I just try to do something to better the situation. Word of advice to those who Hate COPS, Stay out of trouble! Good job Dep, thats two Krispy Kremes from Me [​IMG][​IMG]

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    Hey Depdog I agree with everybody in here, however I've had my share of a bad cop, about a year ago I was on my way to the shooting range up in the mountains when a Sheriff pulled me over for not having the front license plate in my Camaro (ok I know that's wrong) anyway he asked me if I had any weapons in the car I said yes, I had my 38 Super in the back seat inside it's case and all the ammo and clips in the back it's a hatchback so I dont have a trunk so I figured I was ok this guy takes the gun out of the case runs it through the computer and everything was fine but he say's I'm taking the gun, I say why? he says there's no lock on the case, I didn't know that I needed a lock for the case so he took the gun and charged me for having a concealed weapon, now to me concealed means hidden am I right? like I said before I had the gun in the back seat no clip or ammo near the case everything was in the back and I told him that I had the weapon, but he still charged me with concealed weapon, and then he tells me, you know I could arrest you right now, I got mad and told him "well sir you do what ever you have to do", then he says "but I'm not going to arrest you" to me it seemed like he was playing with me or just trying to scare the hell out of me well it didn't work, anyway I went to court for the charge the judge heard my story and after about 2 months of going to court the judge finally said "I'm going to do something this court has never done before which is to give you your gun back" which is what I was concerned about I wanted my gun back, too expensive to let some bad cop take it just like that anyway what do you think of this Depdog would you have done the same thing, now keep in mind he checked my record, I have never been in trouble with the law, I had the bullets way in the back of the car, so there was no way that I could reach for the gun or the bullets to shoot somebody, which is what he told me also that the gun was in my reach, (reach of what) what good is a gun without any bullets right? I have a friend that's a Sheriff I gave him a call and told him about it and this is what he said "He was just being an a$$hole" so what do you think Dep did he do what he was supposed to or was he just being an a$$hole.
    ps. he stopped me about 3 miles from the shooting range, wow my fingers hurt now I better stop.

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    Chaka, I know I'm not Depdog but it seems things could have been handled differently on the officers part. I don't know what his side of the story is but you did what you could. Took it to court and got it settled. I'm sure the prosecutor or his supervisor had a talk with the officer. If not, they should have. If you(the officer) know the law and your local justice system, you will know what will hold up in court. There's always surprises, but from what you said, I'm not surprised at all. As for "in reach". The supreme court calls it "wingspan". Anyway, it's basically everything that is reasonably within your arms reach. What is reasonably, that's the $100,000 question. Each case is different.

    I don't have anything else to add to the discussion. Depdog and the other good citizens have already expressed my feeelings. Besides I just had a hell week. (3) burglaries, (1) attempted burgary, (1) arson, (1) forgery, a 16yoa female runaway, and misc other calls. It's been good however. Found the runaway and have good suspects on all the other cases. We'll see what the county attourney thinks on Monday.

    I'll be out of town for a few days so everybody take care and don't type too much. It'll take me a whole day to read the posts when I get back.

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    Thanks for the response Goose, and you too take care and come back safe later man.

    keep blazin !!!
     
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    See my reply under "weird story; says most of how I feel. That paper article says it so well. I'm not a cop (had always planned to join but never did) but again, exactly what the article said! Overworked, UNDER-APPRECIATED, under paid, etc, etc, etc!! What I find most funny (ironically funny) is that the first ones to b#tch about the police are also the first to call them for help! One comment in that article that I would like to question (because it scares the hell out of me!!!) is the condition of your local police cars. Up here in Newfoundland, Canada, our police (RCMP and Royal Newfoundland Constabulary) both have pretty much the best money can buy and as a tax payer, I support it. Before some scream, the reason I say that is because, like a fire truck, I'd hate to place an emergency call and have to wait for a cop or fire truck to get a boost for his p.o.s. before he/they could respond!!! If your police, fire, and ambulance aren't reliable, what the hell is??!!?

    Keep up the GREAT work Depdog, Goose, and others! Alot more suppot you than shun (sp??) you!

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    Well, for most of the counties around us and including us, we get some shitty vehicles. O.K. its 2000, we still have some 92 Year vehicles in service, and the reserve vehicles are 89 or 90 model. I have a 95 right now that only has 74 thousand on it, it was a supervisors car and I got it less than a year ago and it only had 40 on it then. We have a police dept and a sheriffs office, before they bought more police cars, the same cars were being passed from shift to shift and in service 24 hours a day. In 97 we had 96 models cars with well over 200K on them and were still in service. Some of it is SCARY.

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    On that, I cant say he was a bad cop, deff. an [censored], but maybe he was a rookie and was not sure on his course of action. From what you wrote, when he told you he could arrest you (keep in mind I was not there and did not see his fashal expression or hear his tone of voice) it could have been he was trying to scare you, or he could have seen you were pissed about him taking your weapon and he was trying to thow out a bone to calm you down. Not that he was doing you a big favor, but most people will calm down some when you tell them you could arrest them but are not going to. There again, I dont know what your expression or voice was like either.

    Depending on the jurisdiction, some judges, sheriff's, cheif's and or supervisors will require that their officers write for every violation and allow no warnings. If the officer exercises some discreation then they get written up for it.

    Still sounds like he was being an ass though. Conceled weapon to me is when its loaded, in a accessable location that you dont have to make a sudden move, or a movement that you can easily see, like leaning across the seat to open the glove box. Here in GA, if you have a gun in your glove box or in your trunk, its not conceled, its considered an extensioin of your home, technically if its under your seat or in between the seats, or in a center console, its conceled. If I do a stop and person has hands on wheel and says when I come up that he has a weapon in the vehicle and where its at and if its on one of those locations, I am not gong to ticke them, just tell them to put it in a better place. Its one of those laws that is very very vague, at least here it it. The judge and even differnt officers have their own opinion on what conceled is and they all write tickets or make arrests based on their own opinion.

    In your case, I would not have thought twice, once I ran the weapon (if I ran it) I would have probably shot the [censored] for a while about it and where you shoot (I love to shoot) then told you to have a nice day. That is some bullshit that you have to have it in a locked box. I dont know any law enforcment officer that would consider that to be conceled. Kinda hard to reach over the back seat take out a weapon from its case and then load it without looking suspicious.

    I personally carry mine in a holster on my side and when I get stopped (I speed, dont write speeding tickets either, not a hippocrit) I tell the officer I have a weapon and where its at, keep in mind I have BOTH hands on the top of the wheel where they can see them. With the exception of one wet behind the ears G.S.P. officer (thats Georgia State Patrol, not Gods Special Police for all you G.S.P. officers) they were all very courtious and asked me if I was law enforcment (since I am, dont know what the next question would be if I was not) then they watched me very carefully take out my i.d. when they asked for it. The G.S.P. terd got pretty damn upset and put his hand on his weapon, did not pull it out, but had his hand ready and took a step back from the door (not a good idea on a busy interstate, he almose lost his ass to a passing truck mirror) I left my hands on the wheel and told him it was in a holster on my right side and I was law enforcment, he calmed a little and asked for i.d., I S L O W L Y reached for my i.d. wallet and after that he calmed down, I gave him a few tips on how to deal with the public if that happend again, he was kinda a terd at first, then the little light came on and he said hey, thats a good idea.

    Maybe he wont be an ass to the next person he stopped, if he is, maybe they will complain.

    Only time mine is not on my person in a holster is if I have to go to downtown Atlanta, have had a couple bad experiences there, so when I hit the surface streets, its out of the holser and laying right on top of my right leg, usually with my right hand on top of it. Ever stop at a red light in a jeep and have a FOOL bust a bottle and walk up to the door with it and ask for some money, they dont like to get a GLOCK to the forhead instead of cash. Other incident involved my family and me at a Braves game, was putting the stroller in the trunk and the wife and child were in the car already. Dude just came up and started rooting in my truck, I told him to leave, he told me to [censored] off. (Was an Atlanta police officer, not 40 yards away in his golf cart, I thought he was watching, he had on mirrored sunglasses, turns out he was asleep) anyhow, I told him to leave with a little push from my left hand and another verbal command, he said [censored] off and put his hand in his pocket, said perp was not watching my right hand as I put my Ruger under his chin and told him to leave or die.
    (now on this incident I was not law enforcment, but was FRESH OUT OF THE MARINE CORPS). After he left I walked over to the officer to ask if he had seen this, thats when I heard him snoring and just said [censored] it and left.

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    Hey Depdog thanks for your responce, and I'm glad nothing happened in those two situations you had, I respect the law but in return I like the law to respect me too, if I'm acting according to our laws, if not than I wouldn't expect any respect from any officers I like the way you see things at least I know we have an honest officer or two in here Goose too, anyway everybody has said everything that needed to be said so I think I'll stop writing and once agian two thumbs up for our good officers and keep up the good work.

    keep blazin !!!
     
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    I grew up in a cop family(one uncle, and 4 cousins) and I have always respected the badge. I have lost almost any signs of respect I had in the last 2 years.
    Last year I got pulled over(first time in my 12+ years driving) for doing 11mph over the limit (I still debate this fact, maybe 5 over but definately not 11). After being more respectful to the officer, than I am to my grandmother, and telling him my concerns of the fact. He gave me the 11 over ticket. I was in school and had no time to go to court for the ticket, so I had to pay. Now after seeing more than 1 person get no ticket by yelling and screamiong at officers, I will be damned if I sit respectfully by if the situation ever happens again. A friend of mine has been pulled over 8 times in the last 2 years(once for 20+mph over), he is not respectful of anyone, especially cops, and he has come away w/ 2 tickets. Once he had a warrant(a person used his name and it was not actually for him) and he was very livid and was using very colorful vocabulary, yet he avoided the ticket and arrest.
    I no longer give respect, it must be earned. This is a sad statement for me to make, but afeter this and several other incidents(the above the only involvement of myself) I feel the OCPD is among the worst in the nation.
     

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